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embassy in afghanistan in kabul. two dead, one an american citizen. monitoring the situation from our bureau in abu dhabi. an apparent breach of security inside a heavily guarded complex in kabul. what do we know about it. >> reporter: bear in mind where this was. this was a part of the u.s. embassy compound and annex will many are working. one of the employees started shooting in various directions. he was later shot dead. his victims appeared to have been one u.s. citizen, also an embassy employee and another one injured, not life threatening and subsequently moved to hospital. has we don't know is why this happened. could it have been some kind of taliban plot? unclear. investigations are ongoing. or a personal dispute. how did this afghan get through security and carry this out? many questions but certainly a significant breach of security right in the heart of kabul's most secure area, ali. >> it's not the first time. we saw this attack a little while ago. hats going on with respect to security at that complex? >> reporter: you know, it's really hard to tell how today's attack occurred. i think has is at issue is more the psychology of it. a big lengthy attack on the embassy compound about 10, 15 days ago. we had the assassination of a key afghan politician in a similar area just last week. people are beginning to ask, if this is the taliban, if this is an insurgent plot, how is it possible these thing, getting quite so close to the heart of nato's campaign? usually useful, showing no reaches. it's not limitless, but they can get right inside, exactly where america doesn't want them to be. ali? >> thanks. when you get more, let us know. following the story from abu dhabi. in washington, this could lead to a shutdown. at odds over a stop gap spending bill that has to be passed by the end of week. the sticking point, funding for fema to aid disaster victim. democrats don't like charging it. republicans insist on offsetting budget cuts to pay for it. >> we've done a government shutdown i want to make sure hundreds of thousand of americans suffering from floods, wildfires and hurricanes get everything they deserve. that also maintains our position we should not have to kill jobs by disaster relief to people who need it. >> harry reid is holding a bill up with full funding of what is needed right now for no reason. no reason but for politics. again, this is why the people just don't have the respect for this institution in this town anymore. >> later today, the spending bill after blocking the house's on friday. and a michigan straw poll over the weekend, romney registers just over 50% of the vote with the texas governor finishing far back in second place with 17%. perry also finished a distant second in saturday's florida straw poll to businessman herman cain. cain with a surprising 37% of the vote with perry's 15%. romney finished third in florida with 15%. perry had been considered the front-runner until his disappointing performance at thursday's gop debate. what does this mean for the gop race? we'll ask herman cain live when he joins us right here on "american morning" at 7:40 eastern. president obama is keeping the focus on his jobs plan. after a fund-raiser in seattle, the president will attend a series of evens in california today beginning with a town hall. live at the white house, dan lothian is here to tell us more. >> reporter: about 250 people expected to be at that town hall. we're told the questions will be posed by members of link'd in, also the ceo of that company will pose questions to the president. the focus of that town hall will be on the economy and jobs. the president, again, will be making a public appeal to congress to pass his jobs bill, but as you pointed out, this really is a balance not only between the president pushing this jobs bill but trying to haul in a lot of cash for his campaign. he's expected to pull in about $8 million through this three-state swing. the message from the president so far is that he knows that some of these supporters who were with him in 2008 have gotten "dispirited" but that he wants them to push very hard, because he has more work to be done. he says he's only half way through, and that the same enthusiasm that he got in 2008, he wants to see it repeated again in 2012. take a listen. >> we can either go back to the same ideas that the other side has peddled, old, worn out ideas that were tried throughout the last decade, or we can build an america that we talked about in 2008. an america where everybody gets a fair shake, and everybody does their fair share. that's what this election's about. >> reporter: the president also for the first time was being critical of the republican candidates for president. he did not mention texas governor rick perry by name, but he did say that "you've seen a governor from a state that is on fire denying climate change." the president referring to many fires that they've had out in in that comment. the president also going on to say that this is a contest of values and that it is not enough that his supporters follow him but also that they should push their family members and friends to make sure that they're getting all the adequate information about his record. carol? >> tough to do when you're talking to a con stitingency wi what, a lot of unemployment? >> reporter: right. the president is trying to make a broad appeal to all the different groups. we've seen him over the weekend talking to the congressional black caucus. at an interview he conducted last week focusing on african-americans. last week, there was so much said about the campaign pushing for the jewish voters as well. the president realizing that there are a lot of people out there who are not happy, because they believe that a lot of the campaign promises, or at least some of them, have not been fulfilled. so the president's saying, listen, give me another chance again to fulfill this mission. >> just one more. dan lothian. reporting live from washington. thank you. two freed american hikers back on american soil and sliming their iranian captors. josh fattal and sean bauer, accused of espionage. they said he weren't just prisoners of iran. they were political pawns. >> we want to be clear. they do not deserve undue credit for ending what they had no right and no justification to start in the first place. from the very start, the only reason we had been held hostage is because we are american. >> in prison, every time we complained about our conditions the guards would immediately remind us of comparable conditions at guantanamo bay. they would remind us of cia prisons in other parts of the world and the conditions that iranians and others experience in prisons in the u.s. we do not believe that such human rights violations on the part of our government justify what has been done to us, not for a moment. >> now, the two men said they had to go on hunger strikes just to get letters from their loved ones and called the trial in iran a total sham. one of the people they have to thank for their release, sean penn. he lobbied hugo chavez, an ally of iran, on behalf of the two men. a man, convicted of brutally murdering her housemate. a verdict could come today. the make or break piece of evidence. the dna. matthew chance is covering the case. you were twittering about this case all weekend. >> reporter: yeah. it's been a fascinating case to cover, actually, and it's expected to come to an end at the end of this week, or the start of next week. we'll watch that closely. today it's been a session of the italian justice system. a court session where the other injured parties in this case have been able to put across their points of view. the lawyer representing the parents of the girl killed there. kircher, talking about the woman who owns the house who is claiming financial obligation from amanda knox for the impact it's had on the value of her property. and a bar owner this city of perugia accused in the beginning of being implicated in the murder is filing for financial damages because of the impact on his reputation as well. so it's a slight diversion from the actual main issue of whether or not amanda knox and her one-time boyfriend are guilty of this murder, but nevertheless, that's what we're hearing about throughout the course of the day, carol. >> matthew chance reporting live for us this morning. thank you. symbolic milestone and a cultural change in saudi arabia. saudi women gained the right to vote and run for office in future elections. only the second time in 50 years elections will be held this week and the saudi king says the change won't take effect until after the elections, and those haven't been scheduled. quit complaining and stop your crying. tough talk at president obama directed at african-american voters, but is tough love the right tactic to win back the white house in 2012? 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>> to the leadership. talking to the caucus first of all. i remember, actually, i was at the dinner right before he ran for president the first time. the caucus didn't back him. he was a member of the caucus. he started off talking how the civil rights leadership sort of treated him at arm's length. were curious about him at first and didn't really support him. i interpreted it as talking to the caucus saying you've got to get behind me. we've got to get together. certainly wasn't talking to millions on the unemployment line. he was talking to the people criticizing him. >> what is that? the complaining and grumbling and crying he's talking jab these members who have had town hall meetings and job fairs almost like representics maxine waters draws attention they be paying attention to the plight of urban blacks, dot, dot, dot, maybe he isn't? >> that's a complaint you hear from her. she's a longtime member, well-known liberal from south central los angeles. when you hear it from emanuel clea cleaver, the mayor of the caucus, in a swing state this president can't win in kansas city or votes from st. louis, when you look at the other representatives complaining in some of these midwest states in districts he has to carry real big it can be a real problem. i took it as a shot across the bow saying, look, i'med president preside president. we need to do this together or nobody's going to be helped. >> there are numbers i want to show you with respect to some polling. there is, you know, the president -- we'll just put it up on the screen. all right. let's take a look at this. the black unemployment rate. when president obama took office, it was 12.7%. that swing has widened. 16.7%, the black unemployment rate. it's gotten worse, and the optics of it having gotten worse under a black president are something president obama's got to deal with. i can't draw the line as a business journalist. i don't think it's got anything to do with president obama that it's gotten worse for black, but there are a lot of blacks that think that's ironic and terrible. >> it's terrible, but you and i followed this campaign in 2008 and subsequent events long enough to know there was no point he got up and said i'm going to narrow the gap between black and white unemployment or eliminate unemployment. he said he'd do what he could to get america back to work. it's the only message he can say as president of the united states. >> it is unfortunate for all of this time where there's been this normal spread, the spread got worse. in other words, this recession, this economic situation, has hit african-americans worse than it's hit whites, and maybe that's part of why its affecting some of his popularity, support among blacks? a recent "washington post" abc poll, blacks had a strong favorable view of the president, from 83% just five months ago. what's changed so suddenly? >> some of it is economic data and frankly some of the grumbling and complaining. you get this messaging coming out from people like travis smiley, they're going on the radio, hour after hour, day after day, it takes its toll for sure. look, you and i beeoth know the number on election day will be close to 99% of the black voters for president obama. >> and the issue is whether they turn out. >> and in what districts. >> it's tough for the president to accept the argument he's not interested in urban black issues, given that a lot of his history has been in urban black issues? >> all of his history, actually. i don't know that he takes it personally. he's no drama obama, doesn't tlaect way. on the other hand, the folks doing the grumbling, this is the kind of politics that brought them into power. that's what they do. complain against those in power. it's tricky now. the person in power, former member of the caucus, familiar with their issues hawaii been a much better political operator than any have been, done something they only dream of, it's hard for them to criticize and hard for him to get them to line up behind them. >> they've got to say, not enough is being done and that's politics? >> right. on the other hand you don't want to bother the president of the united states when he's busy and specifically ask for your help. something that anybody in the party is supposed to at least take serious regard for. >> good to see you. erral is a cnn contributor and a political anchor with new york's new york 1. good reading,erral. good to see you. now's your chance to "talk back." the question this morning is bill clinton heallping or hurti president obama. the last two-term president may have threw cold water on obama's bid for a second term. clinton said now is not the time to raise taxes i. personally don't believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending, either one, until we get this economy off the ground. this has been a dead flat economy. >> but what about the so-called buffett rule? the touchstone of mr. obama's deficit cutting plan? that won't solve the problem, clinton said. conservative, thrilled, you can imagine. eric cantor saying, "i hope president obama will heed the advise of president clinton and drop his demand for one of the largest tax increases in american history." hold on. in an interview with cnn's wolf blitzer, clinton said he would support the millionaires tax and blachted republicans for their anti-tax any otherology. as for obama's jobs bill, clinton said he was all for it. this isn't the first time clinton has sent mixed messages that could derail a presidential campaign. hillary clinton, anyone? in south carolina the former president set off a firestorm of criticism for comments some considered racially insensitive. obama won that primary. gop strategist writes on the hill.com, slick willie does it again. now managed the fancy footwork of both agreeing and disagreeing with president obama at the same time. the white house is not commenting. the "talk back" question today, is bill clinton helping or hurting obama? facebook.com/americanmorning. facebook.com/americanmorning. i'll read your comments later this morning. looking forward to seeing what you all have to say about that. coming up ahead on "american morning," stacking the political deck. how far will the gop go to win the white house back in 2012? 23 minutes after the hour. ♪ my sunglasses. 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[ male announcer ] write your story with the new citi simplicity card. no late fees. no penalty rate. no worries. get started at citisimplicity.com. i tell you what i can spend. i do my best to make it work. i'm back on the road safely. and i saved you money on brakes. that's personal pricing. good morning. we're passing the half hour time for this morning's top stories. a shooting at the u.s. embassy in kabul, afghanistan. two people are dead, one an american citizen who works for the u.s. government. an embassy spokesman tells us an afghan employee of the u.s. government was also killed. the motive is still unclear. five days and counting until a partial government shutdown, unless the house and senate can agree on a spending plan by friday. democrats and republicans are divided on how to fund fema for emergency disaster relief. democrats are okay with charging it. republicans want to offset the cost with spending cuts. strong showing this weekend by mitt romney and herman cain. romney easily captures a michigan straw poll by a three to one margin over rick perry with cain pupping off a shocker in florida's straw poll outpolling perry by a better than 2-1 margin. taking back the house. the gop has its sights set on winning the white house. key states to alter the political landscape and perhaps stack the deck for republicans in 2012. >> reporter: in 2008, candidate obama won the majority of the popular vote in pennsylvania and all of its electoral votes, because it's a winner take all state, but pennsylvania republicans want to scrap that. a bill proposed by pennsylvania republican senate leader dominick awards 18 of pennsylvania's 20 electoral votes to whoever gets the most votes in each congressional district. the other two electoral votes awarded to the winner of the overall popular vote. the senator says "this proposal more fairly aligns pennsylvania's electoral college votes with the votes of the popular vote." if this system had been in place in 2008, senator john mccain would have walked away with ten electoral votes instead of zero. not enough to change the 200 outcome, but in a close election it could sway the result. >> it's just an attempt to rig the system. it's what's done from time to time in states across the union by both parties. in this case, it's the republicans in pennsylvania. >> reporter: there are other gop efforts under way to thing that 2012 election rules. five more states have moved to require voters to show state issued i.d.s, and swing states florida, ohio and wisconsin all with republican-controlled state governments have reduced the number of days for early voting. so have georgia, maine and west virginia. why all the changes? depends on which party you ask. >> politics always comes into play. in this case the one side is saying we need these laws to prevent or reduce voter fraud and the other side is crying foul saying that it reduces voter turnout, particularly among our voters. >> reporter: right now efforts to change the rules are being led by republicans, but democrats have changed the rules to favor their party, too. like in 2006 when maryland state democrats extended voting times in 21 selected locations, all leading democratic. >> the two parties conceive of election laws as being fair when they benefit their party. that's their definition of fairness. >> isn't that always the case? >> yeah. >> enough said. >> all right. "minding your business" protests in greece turning violent as the country considers new cutbacks to secure another loan to keep the government from running out of money next month. police used tear gas to break up the crowds yesterday in athens. much of the anger is directed at a new property tax that would be imposed on top of paying pension cuts. a group of protesters screaming abuse after being arrested over the weekend. the incident happened saturday in lower manhattan. protesters say they were pepper sprayed, roughed up and denied food and water. police defending the arrests saying the marchers blocked traffic and ignored orders to stay on the sidewalks. an ireport from saturday's demonstration. you can see a protester and police getting into a fight. you see that in the middle. at least 80 people were arrested. >> of course what you can't see is wa came before the fight. >> yeah. you know -- >> oh, well. let's head to atlanta and check in with reynolds wolf. any extreme weather on the roar highsen? >> certainly had our share last night. as we go to radar, you'll see what happened in parts of mississippi eventually into alabama and even tennessee. strong storm moving along the mississippi river from memphis southward to cleveland. cleveland, a possible tornado touched down just last night and with that we had structural damage. no reports of widespread injuries or fay tattles, thankfully. certainly scary moments. speaking of tornadoes. look at this video taken over the weekend. on saturday from green bay, wisconsin, southward to about milwaukee, reports of several sightings with these. a water spout you happen to see. this one very, very slowly from left to right on your screen. just a beautiful thing to see. thankfully, well offshore. there's a potential we might see a few more pop up into the afternoon hour across the great lakes again. here's the reason why as we go back to the weather map. the big weathermaker, this area of low pressure, a trailing cold front move west to east. along the coast we could see strong storms develop on the carolinas. rainy conditions the last five days. look at this. some places on the outer banks up to ten inches of rainfall just over the last five days. something else that's going to stack up, not just the rain. delays. especially in chicago, detroit, backups in excess of an hour and backups in new york, philadelphia, cleveland, cincinnati, atlanta and all airports in washington, d.c. due to the showers. a wrap on the forecast. pitch it back to you in new york. >> thank you, reynolds. good to see you this morning. coming up ahead on "american morning," gop leaders may put more pressure on new jersey governor cristy to get into the ray. what does this guy have to say? he says no every time somebody asks him. >> supposedly he's considering it this time. >> wasn't asked enough i. guess so. and in the face of a heckler and things got really ugly. guess what? all caught on tape. 37 minutes past the hour. sun life financialrating should be famous.d bad, we're working on it. so you're seriously proposing we change our name to sun life valley. do we still get to go skiing? sooner or later, you'll know our name. sun life financial. we've been dedicated to helping our students succeed in america's most in demand careers. we provide you with instructors who are professionals working in the fields they teach. it's an education designed for today, from a university that holds the same level of institutional accreditation as america's top schools. experience the university of phoenix difference at phoenix.edu. morning." this is one of those stories you can't really make up. bristol palin fighting back against a heckler who got rude and personal. this video posted on hollywood.tv happened while taping her new reality show for the biochannel. a little context here, you can see. riding a mechanical bull in this scene. check it out. >> that kind of unwound real fast. this happened while taping her new reality show for the biochannel. the heckler, a 47-year-old talent manager who apparently hasn't kept it a secret that he's not a fan of bristol's mom. >> do you think it was a setup? >> i never think -- you and i think we share a belief, these things don't just kind of happen. political events you know how these thing. >> it's a reality show. for goodness sakes. that was interesting. thank you for -- telling that story. talk more politics. shall we? rick perry said it himself. florida is the state that picks presidents. that was before this weekend's florida straw poll that saw the gop front-runner get smoked by herman cain who got more than one-third of the vote. so what does that mean for the republican race going forward, and do party leaders have chris christie on speed dial? joining us from washington, ron brownstein, cnn senior political analyst and the politics writer foreroll ca for roll call. do you want me to ask you about bristol palin first? >> skip that. >> i'll spare you. let's start with you, ron. all weekend everyone's been buzzing about this herman cain, his big win in the straw poll in florida. be honest. no one really believes herman cain is going to win the nomination, but what does this say about cain and about the rest of the republican field? >> well, this is why ouija boards, if they still make them, are probably a better predictor of who is going to be the presidential nominees of the party in straw polls. herman cain is attracting an audience but on track to it be the commerce secretary if republicans win the white house, not the nominee. the most interesting outcome from both straw polls, they confirmed a difficult week for rick perry who emerged very strongly in the first blush of his republican presidential campaign but now is having to deliver on a day-by-day basis and tested in way he hasn't been in texas before and it's basically stumbling. >> he is facing some stumbles, and sharon, i'd like to ask you this. so rick perry doesn't do well in this poll in florida, but florida is a state where associate security is really an important issue. what does rick perry's failure in the straw poll have more to do this? his lousy performance in the debate or his stand on social security? >> i think his position on social security might be part of it. i think his position on immigration might be a bigger part of it. he didn't articulate that well during the debate and it was harmful coming into florida. read a lot of the quotes some of the activist, the news media down there, a lot of the people who voted in this straw poll just thought he did terribly in the debate and it raises concerns whether or not he can go up against president barack obama, who despite his overall approval rating is good in a debate and a very articulate speaker. >> electability is an important factor. talk about that, because mitt romney as far as i know hasn't broken 30% anywhere. i guess he did in the michigan straw poll, but he's from michigan. but anywho, since no republican candidate seems to be ultra strong, the talk turns once again to chris christie and i hear this time the shadowy republican people with lots of money are kind of like, intriguing him this time around. what have you heard, ron? >> hard to imagine he's really going to do it. you know, i think -- here's the paradox. rick perry's weakness is what is -- rick perry's rough week, put it that way, renewing calls for christie to enter the race. the difficulty perry is having, a reminder how difficult it is to jump into this thing at this point without really having been on the national stage. on paper, perry is a really strong fit for a big part of the republican party. as we said, you've got to deliver it every day. while there is an audience for christie, particularly amon the northeast, it's not clear if there's space for him in the race. romney, terrain he would take. and perry shows how difficult it is to do this at a very late date, no national network and haven't been a national candidate before. >> i'd like to talk about straw polls in general. this is honestly just a florida straw poll, a popularity test. michele bachmann won in iowa. only 1% last night. what do straw polls really tell us? anything at all? >> i think they're kind of short temperatures measures, thermometers basically for that period of time that weekend, those activists. i can't emphasize this enough, we can't read too much into these. all right? if you look back at previous campaigns, candidates that have won straw polls really don't often end up winning the nomination depending on the state and the straw poll. this is what 2,500 in florida thought. we all know the primary calendar picks the candidate. it really matters what happens in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina more than anything. >> and they're coming. thanks for joining us. ron brownstein and shira. weren't of the things about chris christie is a lot of people, a lot of conservatives in the business community kept their power drive. haven't gone out and backed one candidate. ron makes the point, he would offer a lot of the same stuff romney does, romney hasn't had has big, warm hug from the middle of the road conservative business community, which -- >> no. even when rick perry wasn't in the race, mitt romney didn't break 30% in support. that's a concern that he has. >> the person who isn't the candidate or didn't run or didn't win always has higher popularity than the person who did. somebody said the other day, this is why we should have recommended hillary clinton. her approval would be higher, she's not the president. >> not dealing with unemployment. >> if i were chris christie i'd enjoy the attention and thinking, i don't know if i want to get in on the mess. >> i'd be saying, thank you, thank you, but i don't think. oh, it is 47 past the hour. just ahead on "american morning" is bill clinton helping our hurting president obama? 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"american morning" is back right after this break. it is 52 minutes past the hour. good morning to you. we asked you to "talk back" on one of the big stories of the day. the question, is bill clinton helping or hurting president obama? philip says, no. president obama's doing that all on his own. people are politically disassociating themselves from our president and for good reason. this from jennifer, he's not really saying anything he hasn't said in the past. problem is the republicans would rather see president obama defeated so they'll keep the economy locked up and blame him. the partisanship must end. this from jeff, call me crazy, but i watched the same interview you're talking about and my takeaway, bill clinton was an asset to the president. i'm thrilled to see more of him. keep the comments coming. facebook.com/americanmorning. this disappointed me. this news. 40 hours, 67 nautical miles, swimmer diana nyad forced to swim short from cuba to the florida keys. >> i trained so damn hard for it. i deserve it. >> she said, i trained so damn hard for it. i deserve it. the 62-year-old nyad, through shark-infested waters. herred they try since the late '70s. mother nature had other plan. took severe stings to the face and body from giant jellyfish, got back in the water after each one. the medic said if she did it again it could be deadly. >> oh, my god. the first night, i felt i was -- my back was paralyzed. i thought, wait a second. it's the portuguese -- god. i was in pain. in such pain. the lips, but also towards the front of the eyes, nose, entire face, god, just -- never, ever in my life have i known pain like that. >> now, you've seen her. what she looks like normally. >> doesn't have that poofy face. >> her whole face was swollen up from that. i'm not a swimmer, would never do such a thing, but this woman is a force of nature and endurance. >> i know, but -- i mean, she's been bitten by jellyfish or stung by jellyfish before, and it's been just as painful. you know, you listen to her talking like that and you're saying to yourself, i would never get back in that water after suffering that, paralyzed her back in the water? >> i know. when you meet her, that's the kind of person she is. she's so driven with this, you know, this force to get it done. i'm a real admirer are hers. >> i bet she tries again. >> she hasn't said whether she will or not. a feel-good moment from last weekend's baseball's regular season. foul ball into the stands in arizona grabbed by a woman who gives it to her son and is instantly -- she's instantly mom of the year. gets a huge hug and a big hand from the crowd. >> look at that. >> not letting go of that ball. >> did i tell you the detroit lions won? >> oh, yeah, yeah. >> i heard that. >> the tigers won, too. on the baseball theme. >> an early end to the baseball season this year. we're -- i was just looking at my playoff season tickets. i don't know. i have extra tickets. >> you have playoff season tickets? >> yeah. >> really? >> you like these -- this yankees team here? >> no. i hate the yankees. >> yeah. we're going to discuss our playoff plans in the break. we'll be right back. >> detroit, they could play the yankees. >> they could. we could go to the game together. >> we can go to break anytime now. any time. roll break. here. but fedex office makes it so easy. not only do they ship stuff, they print flyers, brochures -- everything i need to get my name out there. that's the problem. now we need to give you a third identity. you're paul matheson. and you're gonna run your business into the ground. erik gustafson would never do that! there is no erik gustafson. hey that's erik gustafson!!! there is no erik gustafson!!!!! 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love me for the money. the millionaire matchmaker herself on how this economy changed dating and love for better or for worse on this "american morning." good morning, and happy monday to you. it is september 26th. christine has the day off. welcome to "american morning." >> that is highly convenient to have a monday off after a weekend. hope you're having a good time, wherever you are, christine. we got everything under control. >> you know she's sleeping. breaking news. a shooting at the u.s. embassy in kabul, afghanistan. two people are dead. one an american citizen. monitoring the situation in abu dhabi, nick, a breach of security. it's a heavily guarded complex in kabul. what can you tell us about what happened? >> reporter: this is an annex of the already very secure u.s. embassy compound even more secure, believed to be where have cia operatives function out of. what happened around 9:00 last night local time an afghan employee off that particular annex opened fire according to one official in various directions. as a result of that gunfire, one u.s. citizen, also an embassy employee, was killed. another injured. the real concern, though, exactly how did this come to happen? how did that afghan employee go through security, was he a taliban plot as happened in the past or simply get into a dispute with an american co-worker? huge questions about how this happened and in what should be the most secure part of the american presence in afghanistan. >> even a dispute, hard to believe someone could be in there armed who isn't supposed to be armed or whether this was an armed employee under normal circumstances. it does focus our attention on this american complex in kabul. it was weeks ago we witnessed a haqqani group's attack, this shoot-out, the standoff on this embassy that left a lot of people wondering. with all the u.s. presence there for ten years, people can still pull stuff like this off? >> reporter: we don't know if today's attack is linked to the insurgency or whether it is just, simply, a personal dispute as we said. it does give the wrong psychological impression to afghans frankly asked to handle their own securities at u.s. begins to leave. the psychological impact, enormous. the taliban choosing targets and choosing to say we have a reach right inside nato's most secure areas. frankly, that's what's got many afghans concerned. the previous attempts, you mentioned, the recent attack of an assassination in his own home. we don't know what happened. no indication as of yet, but still some afghans will be left with that worrying psychological feelings things aren't as safe as they could be inside kabul. >> when you get more, let us know. we'll get you right on tv for us. counting down to a government shutdown again. unable to agree on a spending bill. it's so bad on capitol hill, democrats and republicans can't even come together to help hurricane and wildfire victims. kate bolduan is live. the senate is scheduled to vote later today. right? what do you suppose will happen? >> reporter: both the house and senate, remember, carol, are actually scheduled to be on recess, but the senate will be back in this evening to vote on what senate democrats are calling a compromise measure. basically, they're saying they'll go along with the house-passed short-term spending pill providing money to federal disaster relief. less than democrats wanted but won't go along, they say, with the offsets that republicans are standing firm on and saying must be part of this deal, and not surprisingly at this point, the finger pointing continues. listen here. >> some of these tea party republicans who say on every issue we're going to make this a make or break. we saw it on the faa when they shut down the federal aviation administration. we're seeing it now on this debate about fema. >> give the senate democratic leader most of the credit. he manufactured a crisis all week about disaster when there's no crisis. everybody knows we're going to pay for every single penny of disaster aid that it president declares. >> bottom line, congress needs to pass a short-term spending bill to keep the government running past the end of this fiscal year, which is this friday. lawmakers also want to approve additional funding for fema in the wake of all the international disasters the country has seen in recent months. those two things they agree. after that, little agreement on how much money fema should get and if it should be paid for. often it's not offset. democrats are very much against how republicans in particular want to pay for the federal disaster aid in this case, by cutting money from clean energy programs, including one linked to the now bankrupt solar company solyndra. unclear how things will go from here. >> if democrats hold firm, friday, we could be in trouble? >> reporter: true. in the short term, the big question, where do things go from today? if this senate moves forward up for a key test vote tonight, technically it could quickly go through the house. it's not clear that's the case, republicans would agree. it's not clear how they'll resolve this fight even though they all say they have to fig ter out somehow. another deadline, fema warned their disaster relief fund could run dry early this week. monday, tuesday, maybe wednesday. so the deadline for that is even sooner than the government shutdown. >> and all of this, these people, in need of government help. all of those people, homes deserve stateded by floodwater, let's say, they'll just have to wait and see. that just stinks. >> reporter: at this moment, everyone is watching the senate right now. >> kate bolduan, thanks. mitt romney's fortunes may be rising. the former massachusetts governor scored a victory in michigan's straw poll over perry. the governor registered nearly 51% of the vote. rick perry finishing far back in second place with 17%. also finished a distant second to businessman herman cain. cain with a surprising 37% of the vote to perry's 15%. romney finishes third with 14%. perry considered by many to be the front-runner, until his disappointing performance at thursday night's gop debate. so how did cain pull off this upset and what does it mean for the gop race? we'll ask herman cain himself. he'll join us live at 7:40 eastern. president obama is on the road out west pushing his jobs plan and taking a more aggressive attack on the gop. at a democratic fund-raiser in seattle last night the president blasted republicans saying their vision for the country would cripple america. >> we can either go back to it same ideas that the other side has peddled, old, wornout ideas tried throughout the last decade, or we can build an america that we talk about in 2008. an america where everybody gets a fair shake, and everybody does their fair share. and that's what this election is about. >> this morning, the president takes part in a link'd in town hall meeting in california, later fund-raisers in san diego and los angeles. and slamming iranian captor, josh fattal and shane bauer accused of spying, held kaptd captive. they said they were political pawns. >> we want to be clear. they do not deserve undue credit for ending what they had no right and no justification to start in the first place. from the very start, the only reason we have been held hostage is because we are american. >> in prison, every time we complained about our conditions the guards would immediately remind us of comparable conditions at guantanamo bay. they would remind us of cia prisons in other parts of the world, and the conditions that iranians and others experienced in prisons in the u.s. we do not believe that such human rights violations on the part of our government justify what has been done to us. not for a moment. >> shane bauer called their trial in iran a total sham. among those they had to thank for their release actor sean penn. penn reportedly lobbied venezuelan president hugo chavez, an ally of iran, behalf of the hikers. and a national fiesta. the city of barcelona hosted its final bullfight. tickets going for 1600 euros for the event, three times the face value. parliament voted to ban the sport in the catalonia region pap sport going on for 600 years there. they decided it is too brutal, but bullfighting remains legal in other parts. and vote for run for office in future elections for women. the saudi king says the rule change won't take effect until the next elections, likely 2015. the women will have to wait to enjoy their new rights. >> we'll see how that pans out. still to come this morning, a critical day in the amanda knox appeal in italy. back in court in italy. the trial is wrapping up. she could be days away from feel, or not. it may all be in the dna. we'll be talking about that. and our "talk back" question this morning, is bill clinton helping or hurting president obama? 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i would have gotten we're past that? a way of determining whether there's enough dna, whether it's contaminated. they're having philosophical discussions? >> they are. they shouldn't be having these. this amount of dna was absolutely tiny, minuscule, it wouldn't be admitted it any american court. it doesn't fit international and national starnlndards. it's just too small. the italians say there's blood on the knife and that links amanda knox. i don't think an american court would accept that evidence, yet in italy they're arguing about it. >> an article in "rolling stone" said pride and image is also part of this trial. prosecutors had been mistaken so badly about this dna evidence, the jichs are trying to figure out a way for them to save face? >> they are. very worried about the situation, carol, because in this case what really happened was they missed the true murderer, and we know this because an individual named rudy who was the actual killer eventually was brought back from germany to italy and pled guilty to the murder. >> he's serve time? >> although he's the only one who's pled guilty in the case and admitted to the crime. they've reduced his sentence down to 16 years. he might be out ob work release in three years. so his sperm was found in meredith kircher the victim, but despite all that they're going after amanda knox. >> to carol's point, prosecutors are asking for longer sentences? this whole concept about a second trial versus and appeal, they're actually asking for amanda knox and her boyfriend to spend their lives in prison. >> and amanda knox should spend part of that in solitary confinement? months? >> yes. in america you go to trial, you get sentenced. if you take an appeal they don't punish you giving you an increased sentence. >> rather that or something less? >> now this case goes up on appeal. she criticizes the verdict, they're saying, we want solitary confinement for you. let me add another thing. that on the appeal, the police and another individual have brought civil charges against her a suit for money damages. that has been combined with the criminal case. both cases are being tried together. so the civil lawyers who are trying to collect money in the case for amanda having the audacity to criticize the police are also summing up. which is ki the ways is going on for a full week. it is the most crazy setup you've ever seen in your life, and somebody is being tried for murder in this case, and a young american student could spend the rest of her life in prison, if she's convicted. it's just astounding. >> but it is looking good for her, make that clear. it is. >> it's looking good for her from the standpoint of the evidence. from somebody who is reasonably and responsibly evaluating the evidence, but i don't know what this jury will do. by the way, they get to read the newspapers, too. and the tabloid press has always been out to get her, and it's just -- it's not an isolated carefully controlled process like in the united states. >> we think of ours as isolated and carefully controlled, when you compare it to this, you realize the benefits of our system. >> although the italians would beg to differ. >> i've got to stay out of italy after this. and reynolds wolf with us. what's it looking like across the country? >> depends where you happen to be. widespread delays due to the same system that brought rough weather into parts of the southeast. mississippi last night we had a possible tornado. causing widespread damage. farther up the chain in memphis, look at this video. spectacular lightning and also this video you're seeing here is actually up in lake michigan. this is actually from green bay all the way to milwaukee. spotting these out in parts of lake michigan. several of these waterspouts came out. could see more develop later today. the reason why is, as we go back to the weather computer, take a look. back to the lightning, actually. in memphis just yesterday. we could see more of the waterspouts, more thunderstorms all due to the same system that's going to stretch nearly 1,000 miles from the western great lakes clear down into the southern plains and even to the gulf coast. all of this is not staying motionless but moving to the east. that is going to bring heavy rainfall and with it potential delays we were talking about. mainly, chicago, detroit, we might be waiting for an hour, possibly later. delays of at least an hour in new york, philadelphia, cleveland, cincinnati, atlanta and d.c. met thourometros. expect scattered showers for at least an hour. as time allows, things we're watching in the tropics. tropical storm philippe. expected to remain well to the north and out to sea. thankfully a bit of a fish storm. no direct threat for land. that's the latest, guys, back to you. >> sticking with if a philippe? no philippi? >> could stay with us. until gone, wloen blown out to ocean. have to say it. one of these times carol's going to ask me on tv, is it philippe or philippe? >> throw it curve in. keep it going. whatever you choose. >> what a fascinating discussion. is it philippe or philippe? >> may not be around long enough to have the discussion. thanks. "talk back" on one of the big stories of the day. the question this morning is bill clinton helping or hurting president obama? bill clinton the last two-term democratic president may have thrown cold water on president obama's bid for a second term. clinton told a conservative website news mac that now is not the time to raise taxes. >> i personally don't believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending, either one, until we get this economy off the ground. this has ban dead, flat economy. >> wait. what about the so-called buffett rule? the touchstone of mr. obama's deficit cutting plan? that won't solve the problem, clinton said. as you might imagine, conservatives are thrilled. congressman eric cantor saying, "i hope president obama will heed the advice of president clinton and drop his demand for one of the largest tax increases in american history." hold on. in an interview with cnn's wolf blitzer, clinton said he would actually support the millionaires' tax and blachted republicans for their anti-tax ideology. as for obama's jobs bill, president clinton said he's all for it. this isn't the first time clinton sent mixed messages that could derail a presidential candidate. hillary clinton shgs anyone, remember, in south carolina? the former president set off a firestone of criticism for comments some considered racially insensitive. obama won that primary. gop strategist writing on the hill.com, slick willie does it again. he has now managed the fancy footwork of both agreeing and disagreeing with president obama at the same time. the white house isn't commenting, but the "talk back" question for you today, is bill clinton helping or hurting obama? facebook.com/americanmorning. facebook.com/americanmorning. read your comments later this hour. >> someone else getting a lot of attention in politics today, herman cain. help was the former head of godfather's pizza, former ceo. pulled off an upset in the florida straw poll this morning. we'll talk to him. joining us live in 20 minutes right here on "american morning." 22 minutes after the hour. 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if so, how? let's ask david with us live from washington. good to see you. >> thank you, ali. >> david, you've written a piece for cnn.com, you outline, government, to some degree, bipartisan has been broken for some time, but there are things about what's going on in washington now that are not representative of the way this government was designed to operate. give me some examples. >> right now there are two vacancies on the board of the federal reserve. seven-member board. the most important economic policy making institution of the united states government. and it needs quorum of four. it's got five. minutes away from adudefault one united states was unprecedented. people want to say, oh, it's always been like this, and remember the alexander hamilton, but over the lasttime of most people now, the performance of the u.s. government has been getting worse and worse and worse over time. probably best summed up by a line of tip o'neill's when he retired. ask how congress had changed. the people are better. the results are worse. >> what you're seeing now, in fact, you suggested in your article that we've really crossed the line into dysfunction, but as i said in the intro, we're trying to figure out how we solve this. we've got the same political parties as we've had for generations. what is it we have to do differently to try and make washington a little more functional? >> i said, the people are better. this is not about improving human capital or getting people to have dinner more often. we need institutional change. what's going on, the american system of government is acting like the british system of government. we have two parties that are more and more disciplined, that have harder and harder ideological disagreements and won't cooperate. the problem is, this is a system of government that is not the british system of government. there isn't a prime minister and an opposition leader. who's the leader? president obama or the guy who runs the party of the house of representative, what you call prime minister john boehner if he were in britain. the system needs all of these bodies to work together and increasingly the parties don't want to do that. >> something you said in your column, which caught my attention. you were saying back then, i guess you're talking about the '80s, there was a larger proportion of elected officials in washington that served in the military and some sort of sense, the cold war created an imperative you do more together, get more done? >> at the beginning of the reagan administration, two thirds of the members of the house -- sorry, one-third of the house and almost three quarters of the members in the senate were veterans. today that has plunged. now only about one quarter of the members of senate are veteran, similar decline in the house. they had a common culture, and the united states was engaged in a global struggle and the result was the president of the day could command on foreign policy great deference. that was helping, a limit on what could be done, and people had been through a common experience. now this is a country where people are more different from one another. one last statistical point on this i cite in the article. a fantastic book who makes this point. in 1976 only about 1/5 of americans lived in a county that went overwhelmingly for one party or another. today in 2004, almost half the country lived in a county that went for one party or the other by 20 points or more. >> a tweet from somebody that said i'm incorrect saying they're the same because of the tea party. good point. according to what you're writing, the tea party is more a symptom than a cause. are they exacerbating it or an outcome? >> the tea party is a new force in american politic, that's not it at all. every study the tea party shows these are the most intense republicans. socially conservative people. they have been out of politics for a little before but are core republican voters. what they're doing is ypulling the republican party to the right in the ways group s like move on.org pulled democrats in the '80s. >> go to cnn.com, david fromme, editor, cnn contributor. former speechwriter for president bush. >> always a fascinating discussion with him. he scored an upset win in the republican straw poll. coming up, herman cain will join us live. >> also a fascinating conversation. >> a good sense of humor, for sure. it's 35 minutes past. 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home state this weekend and he got a big boost scoring an overwhelming victory over texas governor rick perry in a michigan straw poll. he's a michigan native and got much-needed home cooking. registers just over 50% of the vote with rick perry finishing far back in second place. no other democrat registered in double figures. joining us from atlanta, the surprising runaway winner of saturday's republican straw poll in florida, herman cain. welcome. >> good morning. thank you. >> i mean, you didn't just win the straw poll. you creamed everyone. you won with 37% of the vote, more than rick perry and mitt romney combined. so you must be feeling great this morning? >> i feel great, but i feel even greater, because the voice of the people is bigger than the voice of the media with all due respect, and here's the second thing. the message is more powerful than money. both of my contenders that came in second and third, they spent a considerable amount of money try to influence the outcome of that vote. i rented a bus, traveled all over the state. did some stops sharing my message of common sense solutions and specifically sharing my message about how i would boost this economy with my 999 plan. that's what resonated with people. not just the media hype. >> some are saying, of course, they're your opponents, some are saying you're a smooth debateder. a good talker. rick perry had a terrible debate on thursday. that's really why you pulled ahead in this florida straw poll. >> you have to be in an effective communicator. if i were not that would be a big weakness, but you also have to have some substance. people are resin aitding with my ideas. i just don't give generic responses to what we need to do about the economy. i have given a specific plan, 999, which is different from any of my other competitors because they are tying their plans for boosting the economy to the existing tax code. my plan is bold, because it throws out the tax code and opposes a business flat tax of 9%, a personal flas tax of 9% and national sales tax of 9%, replacing the taxes now people grapple with and provides certainty to the business community which is what they're looking for in order to grow this economy. >> let's talk about something that's going on right now in washington, and that would be fema funding. there's a danger that the government could be shut down again on friday. what is your feeling? i mean, democrats want to fund fema without offsetting spending cuts. republicans want those offsetting spending cuts. do you think there should be offsetting spending cuts to fund fema, even though historically that's nerve are be never been case? >> first, we should not talk policies with the fact they want to play politics with human beings, i would blame both parties. secondly, you and i both know there's plenty of money in washington, d.c. to offset anything that we need to spend on fema. i would make sure that fema got the money that it needed, and if i have to go find the offsets later, find it later. stop playing with people's tragedies. >> fund fema and forget about the offsetting spending cuts and maybe later if we find them, go back and get the deal done that way? >> yes. have a gentleman's agreement. that might be an anomaly in washington, d.c. fund fema, it makes sense, if it's the right amount of money. a gentleman's agreement that we will find the offsets, rather than putting, finding the offset right in the middle of it making it a political football. >> i want to play for you what senate mark warner of virginia said this weekend. he said it should be a no-brainer, just like you, but we're gridlocked over it. senator mark warner of virginia actually blamed the house tea party for the delays. listen and then we'll talk about it on the other side. >> there is a group, and i do believe it is mostly centered in the house in terms of some of these tea party republicans who say on every issue, we're going to make this a make or break. we saw it on the faa when they shut down the federal aviation administration. we're seeing it now on this debate about fema. >> so this is only .04% of the budget. as a tea party supporter, why fight over this, this small part of the budget? >> like i said, i would not make this a battleground. there's an old saying, pick your battles and pick your wars. this is one i would basically try to, you know, fall on the sword for. go ahead and do what's right for the people. see, here's weren't of the things, differs me from a lot of other people running for the president of the united states. i focus on the problem first. then i focus on what the solution is. put politics aside and deal with that while you present the solution. the solution is, fund fema. these people are suffering. they should not have to suffer because of the political bickering, and to blame the tea party group for being the ones that are holding this up, that's just more politics as usual. this nation is starved for some leadership, and sometimes the -- >> those who belong to the tea party, aren't they the one pushing for these offsetting costs? >> it doesn't matter. they may be the ones pushing for the offsetting costs. looking for someone to blame for the political gridlock is what i'm saying as calm as i can should not be the issue. the issue should be how do we get the relief to the people that need it the most now? >> so are these house tea party leaders wrong to fight, if indeed they are blocking this bill from going forward? >> i am not going to weigh in on who's wrong and who's right. i'm sure you have people on both sides from both parties who have different feelings on this. leadership rises above the politics when there is a need. we have a need here. i would focus on the need. >> herman cain. thanks so much. we appreciate it. >> you're welcome. happy to be here. >> congratulations again. >> thanks. be sure to join us on october 18th when republican candidates gather in las vegas to debate. that's tuesday night, october 18th, live at 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. i know it's not for a while, but we couldn't help it. all right. coming up next, love is tough enough. when you add money to the mix, the equation gets a little more complicatedhop do you manage the two in this economy? what are the rule s when it comes to dating in a tough economy? we're going to ask letter. millionaire matchmaker. it's 46 minutes after the hour. good morning, new york city. it is cloudy and -- it was actually pleasant out this morning. wasn't it? >> very nice. these storms, more rain. >> it's going to get nasty. sorry. thunderstorms and 79 degrees later. welcome back to "american morning." it's been said that love can move mountains. >> ah. >> even the strongest relationship can crack because of money problems. christine, who you find is off today, christine and i sat down with the millionaire matchmaker patti watched her? she is so great. and we found out what effect the economy is having on relationships and whether the rules of dating have changed in this economy. the way it is now. listen to what she told us. >> got millions unemployed, struggling to pay down debts. if you're out -- do your dates need to know the 580 credit score? >> if you're downtrodden, if you're women, the men wants to rescue you. that is attractive sometimes to the millionaire man. he likes the woman that doesn't have a better job than him. >> sounds boring. >> i know. but that is biology. if you're a man, you say that to a woman, we would run for the nearest exit. >> has that changed in this economy with more people unemployed? >> no. >> how do you discuss that? >> you shouldn't be dating anyway, because you can't take a girl out for dinners or cocktails you shouldn't be dating. >> let's talk about online dating. one in five relationships begin online now. what do you think? >> it's fabulous. >> people can lie about themselves online. >> it's just like the bar. you have to screen people. be in public places when you date. one in five is true, and that is a good thing because we are meeting people that we would never, ever meet or associate with. >> once you're in the relationship, what do you suggest? do you suggest that people handle money issues a certain way? >> yeah. when you're exclusive, and now you have pooled your resources together, especially if you're living together or married, you have to make a decision. if the woman makes more money than the man, which was my case in the last relationship, we had to say, i'm going to pay more for the mortgage, but you pay for the electric bill, bring the groceries home. when we went on vacation, i always upgraded us to first class. so you have to give and take. and that's something that you want to live a nice life, and you don't always want to be fight being money. >> fight being money i think is dangerous in a relationship. >> the sex goes out the window. >> and sometimes savers are attracted to spenders and vice versa. when you're courting and you see someone's generosity, and you're married, you say, wow, you're spending money we don't have. or you're being too liberal with the money. and it's gone from what you admired about the generosity because you're kind of stingy, now you're upset about it. >> well, kim kardashian is going through with this kris humphries as you can see. he is very cautious. he makes x amount of dollars a year. he is young to the team. and she's making general zillions, and she's like, we can't spend it in and he's like, no. >> fewer young people are getting married now. >> they are just living together. >> is that ok? >> it's because financial security and they don't want to pay out at the end of the day. that's why hollywood, 90% of them, are not married. >> patti, great conversation. >> i really enjoyed being with you guys. >> you're so fun. >> you're ready for love, right? >> yeah. we're both married people who are good with money. >> you can always earn money. you can't always fall in love with somebody. >> can i steal that? >> but you can always lose money. but if you work at it, you won't lose love. >> that's right. love will always be there. >> who knew christine was such a good love coach. you can always marry money, but you can't find love. you can lose money, you can lose love. something like that. it was quite interesting. >> i think once you fall in love, you fall in love, and that other stuff doesn't matter for a time. right? >> so she is saying you should make it matter. but that must be trick nethe initial days of dating in a tough economy. what's the point at which you bring up, hey, look, i really don't have much, looking like it's getting any better. >> i'm $100,000 in debt. will you marry me? our talk back question this morning, is bill clinton helping or hurting president obama? he makes a lot of money, but so does she. they're probably fine, right? >> the money part's ok. i don't know about the rest. >> stop that. we can't go into that now. anyhoo, this is how you responded. this is from john. >> keep the conversation going. facebook.com/americanmorning. all right. we've got top stories when we return, including a big first step for saudi women's rights. the king giving women the right to vote for the first time. but not just yet. i'll tell you about it when we come back. it's 55 minutes after the hour. in america, we believe in a future that is better than today. since 1894, ameriprise financial has been working hard for their clients' futures. never taking a bailout. helping generations achieve dreams. buy homes. put their kids through college. retire how they want to. ameriprise. the strength of america's largest financial planning company. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you, one-to-one. together, for your future. ♪ a political showdown on capitol hill could lead to a government shutdown. democrats and republicans unable to come together even to help victims of wildfires and hurricanes. so how could they possibly agree on a spending bill by friday? >> president obama taking his jobs pitch out west. the three-state swing aimed at reenergizing his political base and refilling his campaign war chest on this "american morning." good morning. happy monday. it is september 26. christine romans is off today. a lot of political news over the weekend. but we begin by counting down to a government shutdown for the third time in five months. i think there are a lot of people that don't know it's even happening because they don't want to acknowledge it's even possible. you're looking at a live picture of the gridlocked capitol hill. this time they cannot agree on a temporary spending bill to keep the government funded through mid november. it's so bad, democrats and republicans can't even come together to help hurricane and wildfire victims. kate baldwin is live in washington this morning. they are scheduled to vote on the spending bill later today. where do things stand? >> things were going back and forth all weekend long. both the house and senate are scheduled to be in recess, but the senate will be back this evening to vote on what senate democrats are calling a compromise measure. basically, they'll go along with the house-passed short-term spending bill, which provides also $3.6 billion to federal disaster relief, which is less than democrats wanted. but they also say they will not go along with the offsets that republicans are demanding to pay for some of the emergency aid. and the finger pointing continues, unfortunately. listen here. >> some of these tea party republicans who say on every issue, we're going to make this a make or break. we saw it on the faa when they shut down the federal aviation administration. we're seeing it now on this debate about fema. >> give the senate democratic leader most of the credit. he manufactured a crisis all week. about disaster when there's no crisis. everybody knows we're going to pay for every single penny of disaster aid that the president declares. >> bottom line, congress needs to pass a short-term spending bill to keep the government running past the end of this fiscal year, which is friday. lawmakers also want to approve additional funding for fema in the wake of all the natural disasters the country has seen in recent months. those are two things that both sides agree on. but after that, there's little agreement on how much fema should get and if it should be paid for. often emergency aid is not offset, and democrats are also very much against how republicans specifically want to pay for this, by cutting money from clean energy programs that are in place. they say they are job creators. one of these programs is linked to the now bankrupt solar company soledra. very clear how they are going to move forward. >> bottom line, bottom line, a bill in front of the senate today. but we just don't know how this plays out. because obviously, the real deal making will be behind the scenes, not on the senate floor or the house floor. >> everyone says it really comes down to harry reid, the top democrat in the senate, and john boehner, the speaker of the house. the senate is going to move forward on a measure that's up for a key test vote. i'm not going to get into the legislative complexities here. but if they did move forward with this measure, it could move quickly through the house if everyone decided to get along and agree on this. that's not clear that's the case. and if we look at history, it's not likely that it's going to move very quickly. but they need to do something very soon. they are running out of government funding at the end of the week. fema funding, this disaster relief fund, could run dry today or even tomorrow. >> and the sad part about this is all of those people in need. they are just lost in this -- another political argument. >> right. >> and fema funding is something that generally speaking, funding disasters is not something that's a political hot potato. but it has become one. >> kate, good to see you as always. thanks. also this morning, president obama continues his fundraising and jobs tour out west. this morning he'll take part in a linked in social networking town hall event. he road tested a more aggressive approach towards republicans at a campaign event in seattle last night. he said that the republican vision would fundamentally cripple american. stan lothian is live at the white house. so the president is still pretty fiery, the least speaking that way now. and he is really slamming the gop. >> that's right. and you heard the president even criticize the rhetoric and the tone that we have heard lately from the republican debates. even taking a shot at texas governor rick perry, although he did not mention him specifically by name. he did refer to the governor of the state that the state is on fire but he is denying climate change. what the president is trying to do here is really fire up his base. he realizes that there is a lot of frustration among the base. some people disappointed that some of the things that the president promised during the campaign have not materialized. so far during his administration. and so the president is trying to energize them. that's why he is out there on this west coast tour. in addition to that, doing fundraising, expected to pull in more than $8 million in stops in washington, california, and also in colorado. >> also there's a sitdown interview with the president scheduled for tonight on the b.e.t. network. it's pretty fiery. and actually the president has some choice words for the congressional black caucus the but what do african-american voters really want to hear from the president? >> well, you know, there have been a lot of rumblings and grumblings over the past few months from african-americans, as in particular the leadership in congress. and they're caoncerned because when you look at the unemployment situation, african-americans have been hit a lot harder than other americans, and they don't feel that the president has done enough to specifically address some of the concerns among the african-american community. and so the president has been reaching out to a lot of different folks in his base. but in particular trying to make sure that he has the support of the african-american community. take a listen. >> i'm going to press on for the sake of all of those families who are struggling right now. i don't have time to feel sorry for myself. i don't have time to complain. i'm going to press on. i expect all of you to march with me and press on. take off your bedroom slippers. put on your marching shoes. shake it off. stop complaining. stop grumbling. stop crying. >> the sense there as you see from the president fired up, speaking directly to those leaders in the african-american community, specifically those up on capitol hill, who have had some concerns with the president's record. trying to get them fired up to support him in this bid in 2012. and one of the things that the president has been using not only with the african-american audiences, but as he travels across the country, he is trying to lay out his record. talking about what he has done to turn around the auto industry, talking about the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. some of the issues that the president believes resonates with these voters and try to let them know that, yes, they may not have gotten everything that they wanted, but that he has some accomplishments. he has delivered. carol? >> i think we need to let him go. he sounds like he's going to be picked up by a garbage truck. what is that noise? >> there's a construction project going on behind me here. and the timing is always great. [ laughter ] >> we have this big cement truck. and it couldn't just pull in here. it had to fire up and start dumping cement out at about the time that i came out here. so i'm competing with that noise. >> you're doing a great job. but it's fairly significant. i am a little worried about dan's safety. >> i should wear that hard hat, right? >> good to see you, dan. get out of the way of the cement. that stuff sticks. >> at least somebody is working there. >> shovel ready project. there you go. meantime, the president is holding his linkedin town hall. republican leaders will be at facebook headquarters for a town hall of their own. the young guns will take live questions in front of an audience of facebook workers and guests. herman cane shaking things up in the race for the republican presidential nomination. the former ceo of godfather's pizza scoring a stunning victory in saturday's florida straw poll. outperforming rick perry, 37% to 15%. earlier on "american morning," cain insisted he no flash in the pan and that voters are simply responding to his message. >> i have given a specific plan, nine, nine, nine, which is different from any of my other competitors because they are tying their plans for a boost in the economy to the existing tax code. my plan is bold because it throws out the tax code, and imposes a business flat tax of 9%, a personal flat tax of 9%, and a national sales tax of 9%. it replaces all of the taxes that people are now having to grapple with. and it provides certainty to the business community, which is what they are looking for in order to grow this economy. >> mitt romney finished a distant third in the florida straw poll, but he did win michigan's straw poll yesterday, trouncing rick perry 51% to 17%. but keep in mind that mitt romney is from michigan. >> well, it's like you asked. other than the building of momentum and the help that it gives to a flagging campaign, it's not particularly scientific. >> the straw poll, no. it's more like a popularity contest. i mean, the primary, you know -- >> if your campaign is really flagging and on the ropes and you get a big charge ahead, it gets you into the news. and in this case because the field is so spread, it helps with fundraising. but it's not really determinant of who's going to win the nomination. >> and many analysts say it shows more the disappointment with the republican field than that big win for herman cain. but the one in michigan, mitt romney is from michigan so you expect that. >> you have to give herman cain credit, he has staying power. they still can't drive or open a bank account, but now women in saudi arabia have gained the rate to vote, sort of. they will even be able to run for office in future local elections. our local correspondent is joining us live from abu dhabi. he knows saudi arabia well. i said sort of. give us the headline and what those sort was are. >> ali, it's a complicated issue by saudi standards. a major announce, definitely historic what the kind said yesterday. but it's the details we're trying to figure out right now. the king said that women could participate in future municipal elections, they could nominate themselves and other candidates. that's being interpreted by all the people i'm speaking with to mean that the king said women would be able to vote and nominate themselves as candidates in the forthcoming election, which would be four years from now at the earliest. that having been said, though, there are people that are wondering if exactly that means they would precisely be able to vote. because he didn't specifically say the word "vote." the translation he did not say vote, they are wondering if that leaves room for interpretation. the women yesterday i spoke with were elated at the news. they were eveoverjoyed. but today some were more tempered. they are saying now some disappointment is setting in, because we are talking about four years from now. and anything could happen between now and then. and they're saying that could give time for the extremists or hardliners in the country to try to reverse the decision, try to make the king renege on his word. and in saudi arabia, where women can't even drive, it's a big step forward to get the right to vote. and you can count on hardline factions of the government and society to try and block this from happening before it actually happens. >> handicap this for a second. really the right to vote is so much bigger than the right to drive. the right to drive is more economically helpful to some people. but the right to vote is such a big deal. handicap the chances of this coming forth and why they are choosing this time to do it. >> well, ali, there has been criticism of the saudi government because there have been two rounds of municipal elections. one in 2005. and another one coming up on thursday. in both of those rounds, women have been trying to get on the ballot. they have been trying to say that they should be able to vote. women's rights activists have been very critical of the government saying that they have not specified that women can't vote, so they should be able to vote. so they have been pushing it. the saudi government is very concerned that they look bad in the eyes of the international community. this is a way of saying, ok, you're not going to be able to participate this time. next time, you'll be able to. i would say that if the election were in a month, yes, it's a very good chance they would be able to vote. it looks like the king is serious. but four years, a lot can happen. you're talking about a king who is 86 years old. his deputy is 85 years old. a lot can happen in that time. you could have a new king, new leadership. the conservative faction could win out. and they could try to reverse this decision. so a lot can happen between now and then. >> thanks very much. it takes you back to times when women couldn't vote in a lot of places. i think it's interesting in saudi arabia that they want to be candidates. they are not taking it slowly. they are saying we want to be in the process, 100%, when we're in it. and i'm sure that's how it's been for women all the time, right? there were women who wanted to run for office before women could vote. >> oh, yeah. >> in america. and i think it's such a major step if it happens. >> i can't help but think they are sticking with the no drive thing because you have to drive to the polls. if you're in elected office, you have to use your car to get places to campaign. >> but what a big step if it's true. >> yeah. big step. still ahead this morning -- forget cancun. a college student from ucla joins gadhafi rebels in libya -- actually, anti-gadhafi rebels in libya, and he did that during his summer vacation to find out first hand what fighting in a revolution would be like. we're sitting down with him. and muggy temperatures, heavy rain, and now a possible tornado. reynolds wolf is tracking your work week forecast next. 13 minutes after the 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rain in seattle and also into portland. we could see that last through a good part of the day. delays probably an issue for a good part of the day, especially for chicago, detroit, new york, philadelphia, cleveland, cincinnati. low clouds, thunderstorms, possible rain. that will keep you grounded. but the big thunder boomers in chicago and detroit will bring runways to a stand still possibly by midday. let's talk about something very different. we're going to go from this weather to a little bit of sports action. take a look. this happened in arizona just last night. final game of the regular season. foul ball, a mom catches the foul ball and gives it to her son. that's very sweet. >> look at this. this little kid is oh grateful. how long do you think he stayed grateful for? >> about three hours. >> until he got in the car and decided he wanted an ice cream on the way home. >> that's why i would have kept that ball for myself. >> there's a thing about kids, when they reach a certain age they are too cool to hug their mom and dads. >> he's not that age. >> these are the salad days. you've got to enjoy that. nice, nice hugs. what baseball is all about. >> after the kid turns 6, he becomes evil. >> pretty much. yeah. we've got three that have horns right now. >> i'm with you, carol. just keep the ball. >> that's so cruel. but i probably would. >> good to see you, my friend. >> all right, guys. >> so bad. we're just kidding. >> i don't know that we are. that's the sad part. i think we might just keep the ball. but we don't have to tell the viewers that. this isn't live. >> no. it's just a dream. now is your chance to talk back on one of the big stories of the day. the question for you this morning, is bill clinton helping or hurting president obama? bill clinton, the last two-term democratic president, may have thrown cold water on president obama's bid for a second term. clinton told the conservative website newsmax that now is not the time to raise taxes. >> i personally don't believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending, either one, until we get this economy off the ground. this has been a dead flat economy. >> but wait. what about the so-called buffett rule, the touchstone of president obama's plan? that won't do the trick, says bill clinton, and republicans are thrilled. eric cantor saying, i hope president obama will heed the advice of president clinton and drop his demand for one of the largest tax increase in american history. hold on. in an interview with wolf blitzer, he said he would support the millionaire taxes. as for the jobs bill, clinton said he was all for it. this isn't the first time that clinton has sent mixed messages that could derail a presidential candidate. hillary clinton, anyone? in south carolina, the former president set off a firestorm of criticism for comments that some considered racially insensitive. slick willie does it again. he has managed the fancy footwork of both agreeing and disagreeing with president obama at the same time. the white house isn't commenting. but the talk back question for you this morning, is bill clinton helping or hurting president obama? facebook.com/americanmorning. i'll read your comments later this hour. >> so my feel from what you've read so far of the comments is that people are not peopfeelings is damaging. >> no. they love president clinton. and they actually are saying that president obama has hurt himself. and there's no way that president clinton could hurt him more. >> right. interesting. all right. looking forward to more of your responses. a check of the morning financial markets up next. plus, smokers need not apply. a texas employer is rejecting job candidates who smoke. it's 21 minutes after the hour. 25 minutes after the hour. minding your business this morning, we could be in for a nice start to the trading week after the dow's worst week since 2008. right now stock futures all up. markets in europe trading higher on expectations that further measures will be taken to tackle the region's debt crisis. netflix appears to have scored a win. they signed a deal with dream works to stream the studio's films starting in 2013. baylor health care system announcing it will no longer hire people that smoke. the company says it has to do with the high cost of health care, and it needs to be a role model for its patients. you're pays less to fill up your tank. prices have dropped 12 cents in the last week alone according to a new survey. to give you some perspective, the national average, $3.54 a gallon, is 85 cents more than it was a year ago. and "the lion king 3d" holding top spot at the box office, taking in an estimated $22 million. about $1 million more than "moneyball" starring brad pitt. and carol and i both really like "the lion king." he is one of america's most popular television importants. up next, larry king will join us live right here in our studios. he is being honored with a lifetime achievement award from the emmys. 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[ male announcer ] we're making them a better financial future. what can we make with you? transamerica. transform tomorrow. ♪ welcome back to "american morning." it's half past the hour. with all due respect to howard stern, we have the real king of media, all media, with us now. larry king. and you're going to get your crown, aren't you, later tonight? >> yeah. really thrilling. >> it is thrilling. the national academy of television arts and sciences is giving larry king its lifetime achievement award today. so it is thrilling. how will you feel when you get it in your hands? >> well, it's mixed feelings. because a lifetime achievement tells you two things. that you've done a lot in the business, and it was given to you by your peers. and also tells you you're not 26. there's no barmitzvah lifetime achievement award. but it was a thrill to hear from them. and honored to be honored by the people that you're in the business with. i'm looking forward to it. >> and you're a working journalist. you never stopped being one. so you don't really have all of these milestones where you can stop and look back at your life. you sort of did when you stopped doing your show on cnn. but this is an opportunity to look back on moments. and there's a few that stand out to you. >> first day on the air. don't you remember your first day -- >> definitely. it was not pretty. >> you always remember your first. it wasn't pretty for me either. but, jeez, it goes back. my meeting of ted turner. first day on television, which was only one year after i started on radio. doing the first international radio talk show. now everybody -- i met a guy today doesn't have a national radio talk show. he was outside. [ laughter ] >> he was the only one. >> and did the first one of those. and of course historic moments on cnn. gore, perrott debate. >> the nasta debate. >> yeah, that famous debate. and perot's entrance into politics. and all of the years, i have just -- jerry seinfeld said that i was the original twitterer, because we covered lots of subjects in lots of space and lots of time. >> you did actually. >> and it's fun to come back here. i remember when we moved into this building. >> yeah. >> when i started at cnn, we were in a little like a hut in georgetown. you did your makeup and walked across the alley into the studio. >> wow. >> and hoped you didn't sweat too much. >> the only thing you prayed for was you didn't have a rain storm after you put your makeup on. >> you have seen a lot of changes over the years as far as talk shows and news shows goes. what has been the biggest change in your mind? >> 24 hour news. and the impact of 4 hour news. you know, we were the only ballgame in town for a long time. and then westinghouse started one, and ted bought them out. ted turner deserves -- i think he is the greatest figure of this second half of the 20th century in television history. the biggest change now has been the proliferation of it. talk shows have changed in that a lot of hosts, not every host, but a lot of hosts use the guests as a prop. they are there to serve them. and you're there to serve them. and i never approached it that way. i never had an agenda. everyone has an agenda now. like a gotcha. and one of the problems also is not so much to get it right as to get it first. so i want to beat you so bad. and the other thing that's really not my cup of tea is this judgment on american trials. you know, like this doctor, who is on trial. >> conrad murray. >> we found him guilty already. we the media. >> casey anthony. >> haven't heard any testimony. casey anthony, you know. everyone -- see, the problem i think we have is i never judged a trial because i wasn't there. i didn't hear all the testimony. and i don't know what a juror is thinking. and i didn't know what effect this witness' statement had on them. >> yeah. >> and then the best thing about the american system is you've got to prove it. now, britain, you know, you can't cover a trial. i sometimes wonder if that might not be a little better. >> let me ask you something you covered a lot. just this last week we are dealing with the idea of the palestinians going to the u.n. asking for independence, asking for recognition as a state. one of your finest interviews was when you had yasser arafat, itzhak rabbin, and all in the same place. >> a lot of diplomacy on television. >> what's your thoughts on that? >> you just talked about president clinton. he almost had a deal. he was this close to an actual real deal. carter pulled off the only real deal. that still lasted, despite some recent problems. it's almost insoluble. i just -- the hotel i'm at is where the israeli delegation stayed. on the street, 24 hours a day, two cops with machine guns. >> yeah. >> to protect that hotel. why should that be in the world? these are first cousins. i don't know the answer. i don't know that we will. >> does it really -- >> i think -- someone told me that the english and the irish had an easier deal to settle than this. >> so does it really matter so much what the palestinians did at the united nations? >> ok. so they declare them an observer or they're a state and we are opposeded to them -- we're -- i wish there was -- mort sal, i wish he was around. he used to do great political comedy. this is a little jackie mason. they should be a state, but they can't be a state. we want them to have a state, but not yet. but maybe tomorrow. not yet. not yesterday. or yesterday you're for a state. we love you, we hate you. we like you, we hate you. the israelis love obama. they may hate him. i think the whole thing -- if it wasn't so tragic, it's kind of funny. >> if it weren't actually about livelihoods and people, it almost seems -- >> like you're writing a script. >> you really liked -- i know it's very interesting, because you had this great long career. but marlon brando and frank sinatra stand out to you as hard to get interviews that were great. >> in the entertainment field, they would be two stickouts, and we've had a lot. and we have another one coming for a special we can't announce yet, but it's pretty big. >> not on cnn? >> we're doing it on cnn, but i can't -- >> not yet. >> i can't do it yet. and i have an announcement about me that i can't announce yet. >> good lord. >> oh, yeah. you are going to have me back soon. >> you're always welcome. >> but brando of course, quick story on brando, they told me he's going to do only one interview, he wants to do you. he'll call you. i was at the hotel, and the phone rings and i said hello, and he said, hello this is marlon. and i actually said, marlon who? because marlon fitzwater was the press secretary. and then he said, i'm going to have a car come and pick you up. and he came and picked me up, and we drove around. we did the interview that night. at the end of the interview, he kissed me on the lips. >> whoa. >> and i have never been kissed on the lips by a man. >> how was it? >> can't stop thinking about him. [ laughter ] >> good setup. >> i suppose if you're going to get kissed on the lips by one man, marlon brando is the -- that's an interesting way to end the interview. >> well, a younger marlon brando perhaps. thank you, larry king. >> thank you both. >> i'll just shake hands. we won't kiss this time. but next time if you're announcement is really big. >> i'm so thrilled that this has been more news in the morning. >> thank you, larry. >> glad i contributed. i made news this morning. >> you did. i wasn't expecting that. let's talk politics again, because we must. >> by the way, just one quick thing -- there's no debate tonight. >> fair enough. >> tonight off. >> you get the night off. >> thank goodness. in the world of politics, last year they took back the house. now the gop has its sights set on winning the white house. and efforts are now underway in some key states to alter the political landscape and perhaps stack the deck for republicans in 2012. in 2008, candidate obama won the majority of the popular vote in pennsylvania, and all of its electoral votes. that's because it's a winner take all state. but pennsylvania republicans want to scrap that. a bill proposed by pennsylvania republican senate leader dominick pelizze would award the 20 electoral votes to whoever gets the most votes in each district. the other two would be awarded to the winner of the overall popular vote. he says, quote, this proposal will more fairly align pennsylvania's elocate arial college votes with the results of the popular votes. if the system had been in place in 2008, mccain would have walked away with eight votes instead of zero. not enough to change the outcome, but in a close election it could sway the result. >> it's just an attempt to rig the system. it's what's done from time to time in states across the union by both parties. in this case, it's the republicans in pennsylvania. >> there are other gop efforts underway to change the 2012 election rules. five more states have moved to require voters to show state-issued i.d.s. and swing states florida, wisconsin, and ohio have reduced the number of days for early voting. so have georgia, maine, and west virginia. why all the changes? depends on which party you ask. >> politics always comes into play. in this case, the one side is saying we need these laws to prevent or reduce voter fraud. and the other side is crying foul, saying that it reduces voter turnout particularly among our voters. >> right now, efforts to change the rules are being led by republicans. but democrats have changed the rules to favor their party too. like in 2006, when maryland state democrats extended voting times in 21 selected locations, all leaning democratic. >> the two parties conceive of election laws as being fair, when they benefit their party. that's their definition of fairness. >> it's the american way these days, isn't it? it is. this is really a symptom of who holds the majority in state government. republicans hold more state legislatures this year than they did in 1928. and they are using those majorities to implement these new election law changes. so we'll see what happens. all right. well, how is this for a summer vacation? a 21-year-old college kid from ucla goes to tripoli to help the rebels in their final push for victory. we're going to talk to him live, next. it's 39 minutes after the hour. 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>> yeah. and from there, i hitchhiked to the libyan border. from there, i also hitchhiked to benghazi. and from there, i hitchhiked to the frontlines. >> you realize you could have died doing this. >> yeah, of course. there is that risk. >> you seem so matter of fact about that. >> i mean, i think, you know, there are things i can do, and there are things i can't do. and with the group i was with, i felt they were very protective me, and i felt very safe around them. >> you're talking about the rebels? >> yeah. >> so you show up. where do you go? how do you know who's rebels and who these guys are? do you just walk up and say i'm an american kid, i'd like to hang with you guys for a little bit? >> that's funny, because before this trip i had never met a single libyan person. going into it, i met one guy on the internet, and he gave me his contact number. and he actually set everything up for me. i went over there, and he told me where, you know, the frontlines were and how to -- what to say. and when i got there, they all saw that i wasn't libyan and assumed i was a journalist. when i asked to go to the frontlines, they actually helped me. and as far as hooking up with the rebels, i just stood outside their operating base, stuck my thumb out, and they said, oh, ride with us, ride with us. >> really? >> and you don't speak the language, and you have never fired a gun. >> right. actually to communicate with them, i memorized, you know, half of my vocabulary was food and slang words. every time i met new people, i would list off the foods that i would eat, and all of these slang words, good weather, and they all started laughing. like how does this kid know this. >> so what happened? they take you in. at some point do they think they you are going to be useful to the effort? >> i don't think it was so much useful to the effort. i think when they first took me in, they sort of tested me. took me out to the frontlines to see whether i got scared. i didn't back away. and we had all of these tests like wrestling matches, diving contests off 20-foot cliffs into shallow water. and i never said no to any of these. and i think i gained their respect that way and they thought, man, this kid is really into us. he has an open mind. and i think that's a big reason they took me in. >> chris, i have to tell tu, i can almost hear a majority of our audience saying, this kid is crazy. >> i think, you know, this taken out of context, they may think like that. but if you look at my prior experiences, three years ago i lived in an orphanage in cambodia and taught english there. after that, i lived with indigenous indians in the amazon rain forest. recently i went to seattle for a week with nothing more -- >> but they didn't have guns and bombs weren't flying. >> right. but i define my life through these experiences. i try to seek as different and varied experiences as possible. and i think that gives me a brand-new perspective on life and helps me understand what goes on in the world. >> how does that context go over with your parents? >> they are very understanding. >> i bet so. otherwise, you'd be out on the street. >> yeah. i'm very grateful. >> i think that there would be some in our audience who would say, if you've gotten into trouble in libya, it would be up to the americans, the american military, american government, to get you out. and you've put them now in a bind. >> right. like i said, the group i was with, i felt very protected. very safe. and, you know, i felt good in their hands. >> so what was the take away? what did you learn? >> i think what i learned was that, you know, this country has suffered so much. the people have suffered so much. yet i was so inspired how they were able to wake up every day and fight for this cause they believe so much in for their freedom, and their children's freedom. and to quote their own words to wake up to go out on the streets and smell freedom in the air. that was so inspiring. >> what are you going to do with this? do you have some idea of what you want to do? >> we'll see what happens. >> that's just the way he rolls, right. >> we'll see what happens. i don't plan that far in advance. >> why not join the military, the american military, and fight for the freedom in afghanistan or iraq? >> right. i didn't go so much for the military aspect, for the warfare aspect. i want to see what the experience was like. these people are fighting for their freedom under an oppressive government. like what is that like? i didn't go there out of some curiosity of guns or anything. i wanted to share in their struggle to see what that's like. >> and do we get to share some of this? are you writing about it or are you -- >> possibly. i mean, i'm taking it slow. i got back, you know, a week ago. >> you're getting adjusted to this. >> yeah. i'm in los angeles. but i'm still very connected there. many of my friends are still on the frontlines fighting every day. and, you know, i got a message from one of my good friends on facebook. he is in the brigade. and he said two of my friends passed away last week. so i'm still very invested in the conflict, checking on it every day. it's close to my heart. >> put the story down on paper. that would be some great value to come out of to hear these stories. we don't really meet a lot of people that hang out with the rebels to find out what they're look. chris, good to see that you're safe. >> thank you. >> and i for one hope you don't go back to any war zone, especially one as unsettled as that. it was difficult to know who the enemy was in that situation, within libya. so you are lucky. >> yeah. i'm very lucky. actually it's weird how my life plays out. everything is just some crazy series of events. i don't think anything happens in my life by accident. i think there's a reason, time and place, for everything that happens to me. so, you know, although i'm fortunate, i feel like there's a reason for it. >> thank you so much. >> chris, thank you. >> thank you. it is 48 minutes past. we'll be right back. welcome back to "american morning." the american people are facing the prospect of a government shutdown again. could happen by the weekend if the house and the senate cannot break this impasse over this temporary spending bill. an impasse believe it or not over how to help disaster victims of all things. >> reporter: for the third time this year, a congressional staredown threatens a government shutdown. >> let me start with you, senator warner, and ask you if there is a point at which you think this is embarrassing. >> yes. it is embarrassing. >> are we there? >> can we once again inflict on the country ands american people the sepectacle of a near shutdown? >> the government runs out of money this week unless a temporary bill is passed. fema assists tornado victims and hurricane victims. the remarkable thing is that apparently congress can't agree on something that everyone is for, funding fema. the crux of the matter is how and when to decide how to pay for it. >> the house version says that a disaster has to be dealt with, we're going to help people who have been affected by disasters but we're going to start cutting the government in other places where the money is not so important. >> senate democrats have rejected the house version, saying that republicans are proposing to pay for increased fema funds with cutbacks in programs that create jobs. nobody's budging. >> i'll give the senate democratic leader most of the credit. he manufactured a crisis all week about disaster when there's no crisis. everybody knows we're going to pay for every single penny of disaster aid that the president declares. and that fema certifies. >> one point about who to blame or not to blame on this current hopefully nonshutdown is that there is a group, and i do believe it is mostly centered in the house in terms of some of these tea party republicans, who say on every issue, we're going to make this a make or break. >> pointing fingers about an impending shutdown can be good politics. but an actual shutdown is likely to hurt any politician in a 50-mile radius of washington. odds are good they'll figure this out. they have until friday. cnn, wac. coming up next -- our talk back question of the morning. is bill clinton helping or hurting president obama? 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