how hard that can be, madeleine albright. a veteran u.s. diplomat, the first woman to ever serve as the u.s. secretary of state. i began by asking her what the u.s. can do to facilitate peace between hamas and the israelis. >> i think secretary kerry is doing everything he can. he's in cairo. the point here is there has to be some kind of a cease-fire. a cease-fire that hamas has to accept. because in the past, prime minister netanyahu has accepted times of cease-fire and it's hamas that's not accepted it. i think the point has to be made, if rockets are being shot at israel, that israel does have a right to defend itself. but the bottom line is the question of proportionality and then trying to figure out what the solution is and we know, frankly, you do, wolf, we talked about this over the years, there has to be a way that palestinian is recognized, that there's a