president. so with us now, margaret hoover and also john avlon. i just wonder how you look at this in the sense of how much of what they decide here, even if trump ultimately loses on the merits or if it goes to the supreme court and he loses, how much of the times here really could shape what the election itself looks like? >> i think obviously that is donald trump's bet. he seems -- he believes that he will benefit from this attention. he will fundraise off it, he will say i'm not being prosecuted, i'm being persecuted. and rally around me. and i think the important thing to remember, this is another reminder of politics is really history. this is history stakes. this is a test in the court of where presidents have complete immunity. or whether they are ultimately held under account under the law as any other person once they leave office. and those stakes couldn't be higher for our democracy. even beyond delay attempts and