election in 2016. and i think it was very common knowledge, i know it was, that president poroshenko then was actively working against president trump. number two, and i believe that, chris -- >> i think it's common knowledge he didn't like trump. not that he was working against him. you want to weigh it against the mueller findings, the intelligence community findings and the investigative findings that have been briefed to you in the senate. all of that you're saying should be equally balanced with two articles. >> no, i'm not. i'm not saying that. i'm saying the allegations that has been made against me and against senator wicker, who was on the sunday shows, too, there's absolutely no evidence that ukraine tried to meddle in the election and that's just not true.