they really wanted this meeting. we couldn't get the aid. they wouldn't give it to them. the guy's on the phone with the president shouting so loud he's got the phone out here. he's saying, yeah, the president doesn't care about anything but the bidens. what happened and why is clear. the question is the consequence. >> right. and people who didn't necessarily know each other. >> right. >> i mean they may have heard of each other, worked at the same place, but they didn't know each other and they're all pretty much corroborating what the whistle-blower said. here's an interesting conversation that i had -- or i'm going to have it later on because, you know, you and i talk. john kasich and i talk occasionally to try to figure out what is going on in this world. he believes and i believe this as well, that maybe over this holiday, people are sitting at home in front of their televisions. the tv's on cnn or fox or on msnbc. it's on in the background. you may have a football game on now and then. but people are going to start tuning in to this, and people are starting to pay attention to this now. before, they're taking care of their families. it's all just in the background. like you said, too many names, too many different departments.