happened. >> specifically, number one, did you discuss joe biden at all during that meeting yesterday with the ukrainian president? number two, can you assure ukraine that the holdup of that money has absolutely nothing to do with efforts, including by rudy giuliani to try to dig up dirt on the biden family. >> as president trump had me make clear, we had great concerns about issues of corruption. too invest additional taxpayer dollars in ukraine the president wants to be assured that those vee sources are truly making their way to the kind of investments that will contribute to security and stability in ukraine. >> so that all sounds good, but the meaning of corruption to trump and giuliani meant two things. 2016 and the bide dense. -- bidens. >> look, i just don't think that donald trump is suddenly this champion of anti-corruption and