>> i never saw a video of anything. i wasn't watching tv. we were just a bit busy. secondly i never heard of thousands, no. >> this is what mayor rudy giuliani said. this is -- he said let's not engage in group blame and it worked for the department to keep the peace during that time. do you think people were engaging in group blame at that point saying that muslims were celebrating? >> i think there was some of that going on. and like i said there, were 71 reported hate crimes. >> do you think -- >> in a matter of 15 days. i don't know if that is what he is doing. there was a lot of coverage back then i didn't see. we know that there were thousands of people celebrating abroad, that was covered by cnn and others. i don't know what he saw. i'm not donald trump. i can't answer for him.