you have to serve your sentence in georgia in five years has to lapse before you can even ask for a pardon. if they don't get removed, it will be an interesting thing. in full disclosure, fani considers me a mentor. i've been encouraging her. she is doing an amazing job. when she's ready in october, you can bet she will be ready. >> you've been mentoring her on this case? >> just generally. >> you haven't spoken about this case, in particular? >> i reach out for encouragement. we have not talked about this case. >> important to know. just to clarify for the audience, there is pardon rights in georgia. it's just that this would not be a federal pardonable offense if removed according to what happens. it would still be a state law implicated in georgia. it would go to a pardon board and you have to wait for five