heavily populated areas. because it is so much harder to get out there, even if you try to flee. if everyone tries to flee at the last minute, and now we are past the last-minute, we are at the point where you have to do the best that you can't right now to do what is safe. even if you try to flee then, the roads can become completely clocked, even before the storm gets there. that is why they warn people. your mayor said a little while ago, new arrivals? every single year in new orleans on the gulf coast, they were saying to people, if you are not from here, please listen. you don't know what this thing is like until you have been through some of them. >> and sunshine distance mean that it is over. >> oh no, oh no. >> and honestly, this was the day, right? >> this was the day. >> the day that katrina actually hit your hometown. >> it changed so many things, down there. i always say, don't forget the gulf coast because we're towns up there that, honestly -- the gulf side part of those towns ceased to exist. it was as clear as this board, swept away, everything there.