conspiracy, laying out for them, hey, you face possible culpability if you don't cooperate and tell us the truth, has led some of them to tell the truth. we don't have, congress doesn't have the ability to charge anyone who didn't have that leverage. so my guess is they've built upon an even stronger showing. >> can you imagine if your investigation was the floor, not the ceiling, of the facts and the universe of facts that were there? i'm honing in on this conspiracy again. as much as we've heard from donald trump receiving a target letter, there's a whole list of names that we have not heard have received it, or may or may not be charged. i'm wondering, where is giuliani in this in mark meadows and eastman? do you have a sense? or have we yet to hear anything about either or any of them