elbows? i mean, i've been to a lot of these rallies. i know you both have covered them. i've never seen that before, ever. >> can't have did both ways. that's laura ingram on january 6 laid bare tonight, privately texting mark meadows that president trump needed to do something to end the insurrection, and then hours later, on her own program suggesting they weren't really trump supporters. let's discuss with the director of the school of media and public affairs at george washington university, frank sezno. he's also a former cnn washington bureau chief. frank, what do you make of tonight's events? there's been so much that's come forth. >> i think we're going through an enormous documentation about how deep this went, how people close to the president were alarmed, panicked over this and pleading with the president to do something. i was really struck by jonathan carl's comments a few moments ago that what this shows is the great swirl around the

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