saying dad, please come home. how -- with the temperature of the waters the weather conditions the type of water there, how deep it is the waves and all that how -- should families be holding out hope? how much hope should they be holding out? >> hope is what -- hope is hope. so yes, i would imagine they should hold out some. but as days progress exposure in the oceans is just really tough on bodies. they just don't -- they can't survive in the open ocean. but that being said this -- the miracle on the hudson you know those are all things that hold hope out in people's minds, and you can't tell them not to hope. >> but we talk about miracle on the hudson. of course we know the hudson is a loss more placid than an ocean, right? i mean these are enormous waves and the conditions are different. it would be great if there were survivors. >> it would be awesome if there were survivors. it would be wonderful for the families. but at this particular time if it was me i would be planning