actually took the aircraft down, how it came down. >> should be in control of the investigation. is that going to happen because this is a war zone? >> the ukraine is in charge of that accident by international civil aviation rules, by annex 13. every single rule in the book says ukraine should be stepping in and saying we're in charge of this. >> but they're not in charge of that territory. >> but that territory is not part of the international civil aviation organization. >> absolutely. and as you know, mary, the ntsb is trying to send investigators there. the fbi is trying to send investigators there. but we don't know that they'll be able to make it there. >> and we're talking about this just before coming on. but at some point, they have to. at some point, i say by the third day, you cannot leave all these victims in the field. and when you do an accident investigation, there are very clear lines of delynn united nation. you have the criminal investigators. this is a huge crime scene. you got to get the fbi, special ops, et cetera, to grab the evidence, ntsb. but you also have companies and there are international companies and are very well-known that go in and do the

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