payment in order to in order to help him through the election versus what the defense is going to say, which is effectively that he was doing it to protect his own reputation and the reputation of his businesses andrew, there's this question about whether or not we're just showing kind of the list of possible witnesses here. >> there's a question about whether or not trump is going to testify in his own defense when we get to that phase of the trial, if you're the prosecution, first of all, do you think that that's a realistic threat that trump? >> because making are realistic promised depending on how you want to look at it. >> and two, what are the risks for trump? >> you've prosecuted these type. i mean, you are a former prosecutor. how are you if you're in the shoes of the prosecutors here in this case, thinking about the possibilities and the thing because you need to accomplish if donald trump were to actually take the stand well, donald trump has said that he is going to test fire, that he