seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy's coalition of voters, they've really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn't support either candidate i didn't 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i'll see you tomorrow. >> straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump's pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani's latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it's powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we've got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i'm kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it's safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here's what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn's john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. >> and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we're told that the commissioner of new york's probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who's assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you'd this case. >> now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today's interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump's punishment will be, i'm joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. >> maggie, i mean it's a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. >> this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party's nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don't think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don't same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it's on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you've heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. >> it has not actually don't think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he's i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn't seem like he's going he has been making that argument based on what he's been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he's also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. >> so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don't know specifically what he said in this interview. >> it was pretty short today. i don't know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we've seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that's all just politics. or he didn't mean it, or what have you remember? he's going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don't know what this ends up looking like it i don't see a world where trump stands up and says, i'm really sorry because trump's still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. >> i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you're right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that'll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. >> we'll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it's so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump's case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it's interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance's making very clear. it's also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there's doing it on on television and interviews. >> my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they're playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that's gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? >> these reports matter. they're not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn't open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that's how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it's private information, it's personal information, so it's very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they're going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. >> because let's put ourselves in alvin bragg's position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he's likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it's hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we're fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it's much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there's a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he's dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. >> could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump's been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he's convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person's criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you're agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. >> i also think that it could end up being i'm not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn't happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i'm wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don't think that's likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. >> it's just something it's more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he's not if there's not jail as a result of this. >> i mean, even if he's checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. >> yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there's a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. >> and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. >> and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump's co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel's ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. >> we've kaitlan collins. >> he's brought 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