there are a lot of people at potential criminal exposure and they can be subject of referrals. >> do you think a criminal referral would be an effective strategy here for accountability? because we know the attorney general mer ris garland has been reluctant at least so far to pursue what are seen as politically-charged cases? >> you know, to be honest, i don't think the referral will make much difference one way or another. this is going to be a decision made by the department of justice. you know we have already seen when you have the full house of representatives representeding prosecution of steve bannon, the justice department took quite a bit of time to evaluate it on its own even though that was a fairly straight forward case. anything that comes up here is going to be a department of justice decision. however, it is worth noting within the past couple weeks, two federal judges in washington