but in the past it's also been other groups. african-american groups, civil rights groups, a number of others. i think what we have to do is fix the irs once and for all. i look forward to the president getting ahead of part of this story. but let's remember, the actions the irs, in this case, conspicuously benefited the president. >> because in the inspector general's report, among other things, they concluded this, all of these officials stated that the criteria were not influenced by any individual or organization outside the irs. do you buy that? >> well, i certainly think it's possible that the irs, individuals, for political reasons, made decisions to distort the process. but i also know that a huge number of members of congress on both the house and senate side, including the finance committee chairman, wrote letters saying, investigate the tea party. so you kind of have the worst of both worlds. you have members of congress