standard of evidence, a standard of of that you need to prove for the judge to rule in favor of the prosecution is much lower. it's just a preponderance of evidence as opposed to a criminal trial where you have to have beyond a reasonable doubt doubt. and so defense is saying that's just not fair. and so is they're pointing out that if you do that, then we should be able to bring in some of the various problems. is mike michael cohen as a witness as well. and so that's going back in for the judge saying we're not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decision-making in so we expect it's going to keep keep going for at least another hour. yeah. it's been a fascinating back-and-forth jeremy, herb and kara scannell, our team inside the courtroom and reading everything out and it's been pretty fierce up to this point. i want to ask you because our colleague cares can also broke gonna be a hearing happening, i think right now in an appeals court tied to this case, there's like 70 moving parts right now, what is this? all of a sudden we heard that there's a hearing that is going on just just uptown here