also that she brings a sort of socioeconomic and geographic diversity to the court that might be lacking. she doesn't have an ivy league degree. she is someone who, working class parents. that's the time of background that a lot of democrats want to see. not just to diversify the court in terms of race and gender but the overall background of these potential nominees. >> i've heard not only democrats but republicans talk about it. let's not only have ivy leaguers. how many people are involved in the process in terms of advising and picking and vetting? what advice would you give them? >> beyond the most senior folks, i would think to think it is a take. 15 to 20 people. there are lawyers doing vetting. there are communication folks who will introduce the nominees to the public and there are legislative folks thinking about how the nomination process will unfold. to the extent i have advice, i would say it is to move quickly.