from the international banking system is cooked into the price at this point. and so the fact they're still willing to engage in this rhetoric, that they still have this enormous military footprint literally threatening ukraine right now, i think it's very worrisome and it seems like a much bigger force, i should point out, than the one that did begin a military incursion into ukraine in 2014. this is a bigger and more serious invasion force than we saw a number of years ago. >> the u.s. said it's finalized the sanctions options in the event russia does ultimately invade ukraine again. the state department is warning putin of severe consequences again. are these threats? how does putin even hear these threats? he already calculated what he might lose, how the u.s., how the west would respond. is he just playing a completely different game? he just doesn't care? he's going to do this? >> well, look, i think those who are saying and many of the