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the framers have thought of a president who only cares about the quote "big stuff" that benefits him? >> the framers were extremely worried about a president who served only his own interests or the interests of foreign powers. that was their most serious concern when designing the remedy of impeachment. >> the evidence also suggests president trump didn't even care if the investigation actually happened. what he really cared about was the public announcement of the investigation. so professor karlan, how do we analyze these facts in the context of abuse of power? >> well, i think that to have a president ask for the investigation of his political opponents is an arc-type 6 abof abuse of power. there were past examples and to say those weren't impeachable is a big mistake. if a president wiretaps his opponents that's a federal crime