interview to two reporters from the "buffalo news" who wrote an extensive study about what he had to say about what took place, aened enedand beyond that jake a lot of parallels between the two. both timothy mcveigh and tsarnaev showing absolutely no signs of remorse. that obviously can play on a jury's mind. both of them did not take the stand. both of them had a big beef against the government. mcveigh going back to ruby ridge and what happened at waco. tsarnaev making his feelings known, certainly at the very least by his writings on the side of that boat and as i think deborah, or jeffrey, pointed out, dropping that knapsack with the pressure cooker bomb, choosing to drop that behind martin richard, before that bomb was set off. so a lot of parallels between these two cases, and both juries finding for the death penalty. >> if you're just joining us we're discussing the fact that a