be allowed to be paid and it will send a horrendous message, i think every reputable economist says, to stock markets and to the fact that people's retirement savings is under risk. we lost -- i think retirees lost about $800 billion last time we came this close. >> all right. but again, if we don't address it now, jake, are we going to have to address it again, are we going to go through it again when we're at more debt. what we've got to look at is stabilizing this market so we can get it under control so it brings certainty to that market. we hit the debt ceiling in 1985. we didn't raise the debt ceiling, we hit it, we didn't raise it for three and a half months. we're still here. we hit it again in 1995 for four and a half months and didn't raise the debt ceiling, we survived that. we will survive this. a lot of this is media hype. of course you had the market drop about 160 points today. markets are super fluid. i predict that if we get this under control, we are heading in the right direction, they will rebound and they will recapture the lost wealth they had and