where the heart leads mind can follow. it was amnesty's humanitarian intervention on a microlevel for me that led to my journey now i'm somebody who whereas before i was fighting democracy i'm now standing for parliament in the u.k. for the 2015 general elections. if we can replicate that experience that happened to me on a microlevel, on a macro level say for example in syria, we can go sway to stemming the flow of fighters that are joining jabat. >> you go out and talk to people who held the same ideals that you held and tried to kind of hold it up to logic. >> when i left the group, i basically decided to challenge the former ideology, to challenge what i now call the islamist ideology. i go to countries like pakistan, go speak to the students on the ground. i visited the city where molala yusef was shot and we had a big debate challenging the taliban attempting to generate alternative discourse around