and the it echoes things from the other side of the while. if you take putin out of the situation, it could end up worse. that you can end up with someone worse than putin. what do you make of that logic? does it work for you? >> i think that's an excuse for us not to keep engaging in ukraine. you can really get someone worse -- a remainer in crew yan, and civilians who was trying to assassinate people in the united kingdom who violated national laws inviding if and the way that you contained slaush is making sure that russia knows they will bauls met we quaul redistance and they have to