but that kind of lonership made me i think like a tougher adult. when you're a kid, things just suck and you wish you were cooler. but when you're grown up, it makes you more interesting. >> you went to private school, but not because there was wealth, but because your folks worked hard. >> my mom was a school teacher and i went to the school she taught at. my dad, he was a construction worker, he was a butcher, a deep sea fisherman. when i was in high school, he decided to go back to school to become an operating engineer, those guys that operate if big canes. but there's a lot of math and trig, and so there was this period when i was helping my dad with his math homework. and my dad is like a old school man, he comes from the old country, as you would say, pittsburgh.