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>> well, dana, what needs to happen are two things. first of all, everybody in congress has got to understand, the united states of america cannot default on its debt. and by the way, a lot of that debt was accumulated under the trump administration. you pay your bills or else there will be cataclysmic economic problems in the united states and around the world, massive unemployment and a major recession. number two, the president is right. what we need is a clean debt ceiling bill. you pay your bills, and then you can sit down and negotiate what a sensible budget is. what the republicans are saying in their budget proposal is that at a time of massive income and wealth inequality, when the richest people are becoming much richer while working class people are struggling, what they want to do is to cut programs for nutrition, for education, for health care. throw hundreds and hundreds of thousands people off the health care that they need. our health care system today is dysfunctional enough, expensive enough, you don't throw people off of health care. you don't hold those people hostage to -- >> forgive me, is it time for president biden to now start negotiating on where the confines are for any spending cuts? >> well, i think we can start negotiating tomorrow. but you can no be holding the american people of the world's economy hostage. what the republicans ahave got o say is, absolutely, we are going to make sure that we pay our debts. let's sit down and negotiate a budget. >> it is true that house republicans, their bill, is only a bill that passed htheir house and it would avoid a debt and default this summer. speaker mccarthy is already hammering senate democrats for insisting on a clean debt ceiling increase. and so that has been the sort of conversation, frankly, the party's talking past each other a bit. on the raw politics of this, are you worried the voters will start to blame democrats? >> diana, diana, let me just say this. that's what dronald trump wante when he was president. that's what he got. that's what ronald reagan gotted when he was president. that's what he got. you don't hold the country and the world's economy hostage over the debt ceiling. you pay your bills. this country now, and what we're trying to do on our committee is address the severe problems facing the working class in this country. and what i would hope the republicans understand, there's something wrong with the health care system where we spend twice as much per capita on health care as the people of any other country. let's deal with that. not throw people off health care. let's lower the cost of prescription drugs. do they have the guts to take on the pharmaceutical industry? let's raise the minimum wage in this country to a living wage. let's make it easier for works to join unions. let's protect senior citizens by making sure that we can expand social security. and by the way, demand that the wealthiest people in this country start paying their fair share of taxes. >> are you open to any spending cuts as part of the ultimate budget deal? >> yeah win mean, i think we can move toward cutting military spending. we're now spending ten times more than the people -- than any other country on earth. massive cost overruns in the pentagon. i am certainly open to demanding that the largest corporations in this country and the wealthiest people start paying their fair share of taxes. and are willing to look at any other proposals. a lot of waste within government. let's go after it. but don't go to war against the working class of this country, lower-income people. don't tell kids that they can't afford to go to college or cut back on public education in america. we have already too much inequality in america. let's not make it worse. >> you mentioned the high cost of precipitation drugs. you just cut a bipartisan deal with bill cassidy and a plan to help lower prescription drug prices, increasing transparency for pharmacy management. your committee is going to consider this bill this week. are you confident that this will get the 60 votes needed to pass the u.s. senate? >> i think that it will, but we will see. we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. in some cases, ten times more than the people in any other country. the pharmaceutical industry spends billions of dollars over a period of time on campaign contributions, on lobbying, they are very powerful. so i would say to my republican colleagues and some democrats, do you have the guts to finally stand up to the pharmaceutical industry and make sure that all of our people can get the medicine that they need and not have a situation where one out of four americans, donna, one out of four, can't afford the medicine that their doctors prescribe. by the way, this bill to my mind is only a start. the following week, we'll bring the major -- three of the major ceos of the pharmaceutical industry into the committee, and we are going to ask them, among other things, why is the price of insulin for democrats so high? they've lowered it. i want to make sure, as a result of public pressure, they lowered insulin costs. i want to make sure that that, in fact, translates into lower prices for ordinary people who need it. and i want to see substantially lower prescription drug prices across the board. cancer drugs out there. life-saving drugs cost over $100,000. who can afford that? >> senator, president biden announced his campaign officially for re-election this week. he would be 86 years old by the end of his second term. you're one year in. is his age something that voters could should consider in 2024? >> well, i think when you look at a candidate, you consider a lot. i think age is one thing. i think experience is another thing. i think your record that you have established is another thing. but to my mind, dana, when you put it all together, what you have to look at is what does the candidate stand for. which side are they on? are they on the side of the billionaire class or are they on the side of working people? look, it is no great secret, i ran against biden. no great secret that he and i have strong differences of opinion. but when we live in a nation where you have a major political party, the republican party, where many, not all, but many of their leadership doesn't even believe in democracy! they maintain the myth that trump won the last election. they're trying to keep people from voting. they're trying to deny women the right to control their own bodies. so that's a whole issue out there. if you believe in democracy and you want to see more people vote, not fewer people vote, i think the choice is pretty clear. and that choice is biden. and second of all, what i do believe is the democrats and the president have got to be stronger on working class issues. they have got to make it clear that we believe in a government that represents all, not just the few. take on the greed of the insurance companies and drug companies, wall street, all the big money interests. and start delivering for working class people. you do that, i think biden is going to win in a landslide. >> senator bernie sanders, thank you so much for joining me this morning. >> thank you. speaker kevin mccarthy pulled off a win this week. can he keep his party united for what comes next? 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>> well, actually, he doesn't have to negotiate. the republicans in the house led by kevin mccarthy have passed the solution. and i take a little issue, donna with the cuts language that the media likes to use all the time. this is a transformational bill. it would limit spending. the savings in it would be close to $5 trillion over the next ten years, and it starts out by taking a joe manchin idea of going back to fy '22 budget levels, which i might remind all your viewers was passed by president biden and nancy pelosi. it was just four months ago, the numbers they were talking about, and capped growth at 1% over the next decade. it would save you almost $3.5 trillion. they keep calling these cuts, this is really spending reforms that will put this country on a better path. and by the way, prevents us from defaulting on our debt. so our recommendation is, we passed it through the house, take it up in the senate and pass it. >> it can be the same thing at once. there are reforms, there are savings, but it does also cutting in several ways to get there. i want to go back to what you said about the fact that you passed it. yes, you passed this bill that we were just talking about. but, you know that's dead on arrival in the senate. i mean, it just is. so, and you know that there's no way that the president is going to accept what you just put out there. so where are you on the notion of how to sit down with the president and what the parameters are of those negotiations >> well, first off, the white house, since this congress began, has had no ideas whatsoever, except jacking up taxes and spending even more money for a country that is in trouble financially. we've got to get this right, dana. and the schumer senate, they have no ideas either. it's just repeated rhetoric. so to say it's dead on arrival in the senate, when you've got even joe manchin suggesting support for this type of an approach, i think that's not exactly accurate. we've got a debt ceiling, a debt issue that's going to arise, i guess now in july, is what the treasury is saying. if they are refusing to provide any ideas, and i guess i would put it this way, dana. to answer your question. we've passed it. you now have the solution that is good for all of america and americans. pass it if you don't have any ideas. if you don't like something in it. if you have ideas of your own, our speaker is more than willing, i'm sure, to listen to those. >> outside of the debt ceiling. meaning, the question that people are watching want to know the answer to is, can you guarantee as a leader in the united states congress that the united states of america will not default on its debt? >> i can, assuming that our president and the schumer senate recognize the gravity of the problem. this is no longer about politics. we have passed a debt ceiling solution. we will not -- house republicans will not allow america to default on its debt. we showed that last week. the solution is in the senate right now. again, you pass that solution, that solves the problem, but by the way, where the president is going to get into it with the white house is going to be over the proportions process, because this is not the end of the job. we're moving into appropriation season. we've got some major bills to pass, and we've got to be looking at all the spending across this entire government. this is just one piece, and i might remind everybody, dana, that in the last 30 years, the only real significant spending reforms that have been negotiated by democrats and republicans came out of debt ceiling negotiations. president biden himself said that this was what you have to do back in 2011. nancy pelosi said in 2019, you can't do a no-strings-attached deal. again, kevin mccarthy and house republicans have given you the solution. the schumer senate should take it up and pass it. and if you don't like it, i suppose your next step is to talk to our speaker and tell him what you would like to change is you make sure that we don't default on our debt. house republicans have already done that. >> let me quickly look deep inside what you did get past this past week. the bill would cut all nondefense discretionary funding by 22%. that is a lot of money and i want you to look at what the administration would say it would mean for your home state of minnesota. thousands would lose food, rental assistance, they would pay more for college. outpatient va appointments for veterans could be cut. this will make a big difference if what you want, this bill, actually would become law, big difference in the lives of americans, especially those living paycheck to paycheck. what do you say to them. >> well, i actually challenge it. you know, you've got a president who was just told by "the washington post" that his claims on the deficit get 22 pinocchios. they're just not true. and what you just said just not true either. you should scrutinize what the administration is talking about. what we did is we go back to fy '22 baseline budgeting, donna. that's just four months ago. that's just last year. and the level we're talking about was passed by joe biden and nancy pelosi. so to suggest that house republicans are doing something now, when you passed it just last year, and this was the numbers you were living under, that just isn't accurate. what this would do, this would be transformational. it would put this country on a trajectory where we can start to address our budget deficit. we're spending $1.29 for every dollar we're bringing in, dana. this does not end well unless you try to fix this problem. >> so the cuts i just laid out came from the administration. this is what they claim. you're saying that this is just not true. and this is a hypothetical, theoretical question, because what you passed, as you said, is ultimately not going to become the law of the land, but these are very specific cuts that they put out there. >> again, i know that's your opinion. i would hope this becomes the law of the land and the use of cuts, these are spending reforms. and all we're doing is going back to the biden/pelosi budget of last year. that limit, and then with joe manchin's suggestion, limiting growth over the next day by 1% annually. that's entirely reasonable. and by the way, we aren't having any substance coming from the white house, joe biden, or chuck schumer's senate, saying, look, this is what we should do to solve the debt ceiling. kevin mccarthy and house republicans have given you the road map of how to do that. you don't have any ideas, let's protect this country and americans by not defaulting on our debt. just take the bill we passed last week, dana. make it law. >> thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> and has the gop decided another donald trump nomination is inevitable? 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>> absolutely. i wouldn't be in this race if i didn't believe it. and wherever you talk about a brand of republicanism, sure, we have our principles that i believe in, which is limited government, which is a strong national defense. but you also look at evolving the party to meet the challenges of today and today's economy. and the american people trust republicans more to handle the economy than the other side, and that to me is a central issue of this campaign. now, wherever you look at donald trump, yes, he's high in the polls. i believe in this and i believe in providing an alternative. i believe in economic message of restraining federal spending, of driving education in the sciences that we can compete with china, with being able not to be an isolationist party. but one that can support both the american people, but also our friends overseas, like ukraine. these are messages that resonate. >> they are. john brumt, a columnist with your hometown paper, the arkansas gazette. he told "the new york times," you're going to have a hard time catching on, because your strength is, quote, a workhorse in a game designed for show horses. so you just talked about all of the substantiative reasons why you should be president. but then there's also the character, the appearance, and kind of how you approach the candidacy. is that going to be a challenge? >> well, we'll see. but you know, wherever you look at my background of, in the private sector, of growing up on a farm, wherever you look at ben tonville, arkansas, where i put bentonville's first f.m. radio station on there, people look at a candidate and that history is important. that's why i announced in bentonville, i lived in a double wide mobile home, so we have very common roots. and america has given us great opportunities. so that story to me i hope is interesting and that people will identify with. but, you know, we'll bring the color when we need to bring the color. >> okay. let's talk about some of the issues. abortion is going to be a major issue this election cycle. as governor, despite some very vocal reservations, you signed a law banning all abortions at any stage of pregnancy without exceptions for rape or incest. if you become president and congress sends you a federal version of that bill, would you sign it? >> let's look back at it. the states are making the debate right now. the democrats are pushing for a federal standard, which is basically abortion without limits. the republicans are going to counter that, which would be more restrictions on abortion, with the right exceptions. now, that's a debate we're going to have as a country, but the fact is that unless we have super majorities in each of the houses, we're not going -- we're going to keep this issue in the states. i've said, and i believe the american people are supportive of restrictions on abortion with the right exceptions in there, and that's what i've advocated for rape, incest, life of the mother. this is where i think the american people are. and it's a debate that's going to take place in both places when you state your convictions. i do believe that the economy will be the number one issue. >> yeah, but going back to abortion, you know, it sounds like you're saying that the whole question of what would happen in congress is a hypothetical, because the numbers aren't there. but the whole question of repealing roe was a hypothetical for 50 years until it wasn't. so on this issue, just going back to my original question, if you are president, and if you got a bill that had restrictions without -- that had a full ban on abortion without restrictions, would you sign it? >> i would support the restrictions and i would advocate for the exceptions of the life of the mother and the cases of rape and incest. i believe that's where the american public is. i don't think anything will come out of congress without those exceptions. and i certainly would sign a pro-life bill, but i would expect those exceptions to be in place. >> as a small government conservative, which you just repeated here, what's your take on leaders in your party, ron desantis among them, who are actively using the government to change social policy and wage culture wars? >> well, let's be more specific about disney. i don't like what disney said about the legislation that i would have supported in florida. but it's not the role of government to punish a business when you disagree with what they're saying or a position that they take. if that was the view of a republican, then we're going to be in all kinds of trouble in our businesses in blue states, if they start punishing businesses for taking a more conservative speech or position. and so i don't understand a conservative punishing a business that's the largest employer in the state. in arkansas, and as governors, we recruit industry, we support our industry, because it provides jobs. and we're not dictating to them what their speech is, to me, that's a conservative position and you err when you go otherwise. >> i want to ask you before i let you go about something that one of your primary opponents, nikki haley said this week. she said, about president biden, because if he -- he's running, but if he wins, it would make him 86 years old. and that is not something i think is likely. basically, she was saying that president biden is going to die before the end of his second term. >> well, one, i don't believe the american public wants to have a biden presidency again. i think the polls reflect that. and so i think they have concerns, and i think they want to look to new leadership. i don't think they want a biden/trump race, either. but in terms of, i disagree with a change in the constitution to have age requirements for a president or limitations on it, the american people figured this out very quickly. every time you go to a town hall meeting, it is a mental acuity test. and the voters sort through this very well. they'll make the decision on this, and i don't think that they will choose joe biden for the presidency for another four years. >> asa hutchinson, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. and the president himself last night, the best jokes and the latest in the 2024 race, when my panel joins me next. psoriasis really messes with you. try. hope. fail. no one should suffer like that. i stard cosentyx®. five years clear. real people with psorias look and feel better withosentyx. don't use if you're allergic cosentyx. before starting gechecked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infection, some serious and a lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. tell your doctor if your crohn's disease symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reaction may occur. best move i've ever made. ask your dermatologist about cosentyx®. i bought the team! kevin...? 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donald trump did four times as many press conferences in his first two years, same with obama. so this president -- president biden has not made himself available to the press to answer these tough questions, to give and take, people see his note cards with columnist, reporter, here's the question. people are really, really nervous that he's up to the task. and they want to see that. if he can go toe-to-toe with dana bash in an interview without notes, i would give a lot more props -- >> liz, i want you to jump in, but i first want to read to your viewers what you wrote in "the new york times." you wrote, mr. biden's biggest advantage might not come from anything he's done, instead, it might come from the chaos among republicans. ultimately, if joe biden emerges victorious in november 2024, it will become because voters preferred him to the alternative, to the not almighty. >> and one point i want to make on what david said, it's pretty common practice for a principle to gave them the names and photos of reporters -- >> not the questions. >> not the questions. >> but to that point, i think that a lot of this race will come down to joe biden versus a republican. and a lot of people are pointing to joe biden's approval numbers r right now and saying, they're too low to get re-elected. this is the reality of american elections. it might not be the most uplifting thing in the world. you don't need to be the most popular person in the world, you just need to be more popular than the alternative. >> look, i think he's right to take on his age. it's kind of like ronald reagan making his old joke and from then it was disarm. this is what joe biden has to do. but it's an issue. and i think the longer this goes on, if we pretend like it isn't an issue or we get the note cards or there's confusion, it's a problem. let's keep in mind, the likely alternative to joe biden is donald trump, who is not much if any younger than joe biden. >> a few years. >> but again, it's not age, it's an acuity issue. that's why the lack of prez availability. if the american public see joe biden out sparring with republicans -- >> i like how urban is up here talking about the need for more press conferences. who's going to oppose that? let's turn to a different topic, which is what's going on in the gop. fascinating on the state level, nebraska and south carolina. you see two state legislatures where republicans are saying, whoa! let's put the brakes on putting these restrictions on abortion. where do you see the politics of this going for your party? >> i mean, the politics is terrible for the gop. i mean wing you have to have a consistent message. after we had the dobbs decision, the gop should have come out and say, we want to create a culture of life. how do you do that? let's encourage adoption. let's encourage responsible birth control use, stuff like that. instead, it's gone into this doom loop of like meanness. now we're going to make it six weeks, now we're going to make it four weeks. now we'll punish the women who have abortions. and you're destroying any kind of culture of life that you had with this process. it's terrible politics. and i think, frankly, these legislatures are now running against the wall and recognizing that this is going to cost them big in 2024. >> i completely agree. you can't be -- the republican party, the mantra was, this is a state's rights issue. this is a state's rights issues. dobbs has decided it's a state's right issue. president trump says it's a state's right issue. then you get it overturned and now you go to the states, the states are deciding it. some states have new jersey, and republicans said, now we need a federal ban. it's not a good place. >> there are no states that have abortion on demand. but let me make this point, i think what we saw in two red states, in nebraska and south carolina is politicians who decided that total bans and a six-week ban is in effect a total ban, because a majority of women don't know they're pregnant at six weeks, is that it's wrong on the merits and wrong on the politics. but i don't see this as a course correction for the gop, you still have people like governor hutchinson here who signed into law a total ban. you have governor desantis who signed into law a six-week ban. and that is going to be a millstone around republicans' necks going into the general election. >> i think it is another indication that many of our elected officials are out of touch with what their constituents actually want. it's not just about a culture of life. it's about women having the bodily autonomy to make decisions and being competent enough to make decisions about what's best for their life. and i think that when you see two states -- look, when kansas happened, everybody was so surprised. but it's like, you know, women live in those states, as well. >> the referendum on abortion. and people were very surprised. when the midterms happened, it was because women are pissed off and they're tired of elected officials thinking they know what's better for them. if republicans continue to go on this path, 2024 will have a similar taste as 2022. >> i spent 12 years in congress, i vote pro-life but never talk about abortion. it's one of those things, nobody will convince each other of this issue, by the way. but what's changed in the politics of this is, i'll call it the choice crowd was not super turned up on voting on it, because abortion was legal at that point. and so, it wasn't a driving force. the pro-life crew was. now that it's on the table and a real issue, you're seeing actually the choice crowd come out and vote in a big way. and it's going to switch the politics in 2024, unless republicans can figure out, "a," how to talk about it and approach this issue reasonably and without cruelty. >> we know this is true, because the electorate told us this in '24, right? the polling all indicated that independents broke from republican voting because of this issue. this exact issue. i don't mow what the big mystery is. when voters tell you, we're voting against you because of this, republicans have got to listen. >> but the republicans elected a republican president who put justices on the court, specifically for that reason. >> and that's the thing. i understand that donald trump is trying to have it both ways, but he's the one who appointed the extreme justices who ripped away this right from the american people. >> i don't think he's trying to do it both ways. he says it's a state's right issue. he's not been out advocating for a ban. he said, i appointed these judges. i don't think he's in the right place. >> i think that the republicans will rue the day that they appointed these justices and they will be paying for it for generations. >> quick turn. you were in congress, you dealt with these debt ceiling negotiations before. we have like 30 seconds. do you think this is going to end well for the economy and the american people? will the u.s. default? >> i'm really concerned about it. in 2011, we were a much saner majority and we came really close. we had a credit downgrade for the first time in american history. it was right for the republicans to pass this from a messaging perspective. there has to be negotiations. i don't know how we get through this. i'm really concerned about the debt limit when we approach it. >> that's going to end this on an up note. >> sorry. >> well, negotiations, that's important. thank you all. appreciate it. and up next, my talk with arnold schwarzenegger on the lessons he learned from his father's past as a nazi. that's next. 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or just generally what happened. >> just about the second world war. >> so not until you were an adult living in america did you learn what happened in your home country. >> that is correct. that is correct. >> in 1990, you went to get information about your father. and rabbi marvin hire here in l.a. recalled you saying i don't know if it is good or bad, you want you to find. >> i year ago he came back and said your father didn't do anything. he's part of the nazis and he signed the certificate, the signature is there but he was basically a soldier that was in the war in belgium in france and in russia and all of the different places. he said, but he was not at all linked to anything, the atrocities. my father was at so many other millions of men were sucked into a hate system through lies and deceits. and so we have seen where that leads. i mean, let's just go and get along and love is more powerful than hate. >> your father fought with the nazis in austria. my grandfather was a proud austrian who was forced to leave his beloved country because he was jewish and lost everything. he barely escaped. and here we are. >> well, talking about the same subject and i'm sure we agree that it is a real problem and we have to do something about it right away. >> and living in a free -- >> and we have to work together. >> and living in a free country and talking about ways to figure it out. >> that is right. yeah. >> thank you, governor schwarzenegger and thank you for spending your sunday morning for us. the news continues next. just a landowner. you're a gardener. a landscaper. a hunter. because you dididn't settle for ordinary. same goes s for your equipmen. versatile, powerful, durable kubota equipment. more goes into it. so you get more out of it. every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. ey're quitting the kibble. and kicking the cans. and feeding their dogs dog food that's actually... well, food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. asking the right question can greatly impact your future. - are, are you qualified to do this? 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