speaker: mr. short, was it your impression that the vice president had directly conveyed his position on these issues to the president? marc short: many times. speaker: and had been consistent in conveying his position to the president? marc short: very consistent. kaitlan collins: you basically cannot overstate the pressure that trump was putting on pence in the lead up to january 6th. donald trump: i hope that our great vice president-- our great vice president comes through for us. he's a great guy. of course, if he doesn't come through, i won't like him quite as much. jake tapper: that night, pence's outside lawyer, richard cullen, phoned retired judge michael luttig, an esteemed conservative republican, for help and advice. michael luttig: he said, judge, do you know john eastman? and i said, yes, john was a clerk of mine about 20, 25 years ago. and he said, well, john's advising the president and the vice president that the vice president does not have