presidents? >> well, you know, the border policy has been subject to an immense amount of litigation. and so we've had judges giving -- federal judges giving orders in different directions. you know, we have to remember that barack obama deported more migrants than donald trump in his first four years in office. so the trump policy was not that great. up until title 42, the pandemic era policy was rescinded by court order, biden deported 500,000 migrants. so it is not as clean cut as kw would have us believe, but i do think he's right. if this crisis is allowed to perpetuate, it will hurt president biden's re-election opportunities and i think that that is what the gop wants. >> chris tomlinson, thank you for being here. appreciate your expertise. >> thank you, michael.