very clear. >> the concern i'm expressing is one of polls come to different conclusions. and maybe someone can say, rick perry, he's pretty good tv. he had that oops moment last cycle. we want him on the stage neck and neck with governor kasich. maybe we go for a poll that shows perry running ahead of kasich. how do you prevent against that? >> well, i mean the first thing i would say, and this is truth for both the case of fox and cnn, right now this cycle we suffer from an abundance of riches. we have 16/17 candidates of great stature. in past cycles there would have been a lot of people left off completely silenced because they are not hitting the 1% threshhod. in the case of fox and cnn, i think that we should actually to some degree focus on how inclusive this process has been. >> well, and maybe by the way i'll have the same criticism when we get to the cnn debate next month in september. september 16. and you can come back and make all the same observations.