mcgahn's individual testimony, it might determine whether or not the house of representatives decides to also look into the issues of obstruction of justice outside of the ukraine investigations, things related to the mueller investigation or if instead they'll decide just to pursue possible articles of impeachment related to ukraine. but of course whatever decision is reached in the don mcgahn case, that will have some significance of showing where courts might be headed for people like mick mulvaney and other individuals that -- >> if this district court judge rules that mcgahn has to testify, i assume the white house would appear it to the court of appeals and the supreme court and that could drag on. >> it could. but this could be the effect of calling the white house's bluff. and don mcgahn doesn't object to testifying and he wants to know what the courts will say and wants to understand whether or not he has this legal obligation i think if they're appealing again and again this political currency of saying we're trying to understand the scope of the law here, that is a much harder argument and look a lot more
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