was not something that we'd seen before. so it turns into some specials, it turns into some movies, you know, it turns into all sorts of wonderful offshoots. - you know the black pack were very significant because they had agency over their careers and ownership, laying this foundation to what we see now, laying the foundation for shondaland, laying the foundation for own, laying the foundation for tyler perry. all this stuff kind of has its roots in the black pack and what they were able to do. - so it was a really fertile crew. robert townsend made his first movie on credit cards and it was a great movie. - i was auditioning for slaves, and you know all the stereotypes, then that's when i was saying to keenan, "we should make our own movies." - [both] winky dinky dog. winky dinky dog. - yeah. - my dad and keenan came up very closely together. keenan and him would stand in line at the unemployment office to see what they could figure out. they were both young, broke, extremely talented, just trying to get in the game and they did it.