the wonder of the real universe. rich and i discuss that in the movie. that means not accepting myth and superstition. so if the understanding to get rid of myth and superstition, that ultimately means destroying religion. i think the two go hand-in-hand. >> that flies in the face of what millions of people in this country and around the world believe, so no doubt this is going to be a very controversial film. tell me why you made it. why did you travel the world the way you did? why did you do it now? >> well, i think there's -- first of all, i think you're hearing so many people talk about religion because it's really in the modern world, in the first world in the death throes. fewer people going to church and more people vocalizing but also more important for all the issues facing us in the 21st century for people to accept the world for what it is. and richard and i have started