the vice presidential candidate, and wants to keep that alive. he is one of her biggest supporters. >> does that surprise you? >> not really. you had an interview, a famous interview, a little back with the former attorney general, who is no fan of the former president, and he said, listen, i will jump off that bridge when i come to it. remember that? so, a lot of republicans, it is joe biden's famous quote, don't judge me against the almighty, judge me against the alternative, and he is a bad alternative. >> all of this language, you can translate around the idea of negative partisanship, which is that, so many voters, basically, go to the polls, and vote against something, not for something. >> it's worked for democrats. >> but it's worked for a lot of people, that is the state of politics were in. we did hear a little bit of that nihilism in sununu's comments as well. sorry to interrupt. you >> know, it's okay. i listen to this, and it reminds me, and i'll admit to