looking glass dysfunction in the white house. and i think to date, no one really has been able to make sense of this, to understand what this means for the future, for democracy, for the media itself because how do you -- how do you -- how do you in the media who are, you know, earnest to a fault, attentive to the workings of cause and effect, how do you write about someone who is -- who has no idea what cause and effect is, who doesn't care, who exists only in the moment. >> so you're suggesting he broke us, michael? he broke the normal system of reporting. >> that very well may be. >> all the norms of how we think about politics, he broke them. he broke how we cover politics. >> yeah, i think we would have