an alternate reality to the values-based system that he describes here. one of the things that i learned in reporting this profile was the extent to which tucker and by extension the rest of the conservative media universe has begun to take objectivity as a sign of conformity and conformity as a sign of coward cowardice. so the more objective the facts are about vaccines, about mask wearing, about climate change, the more inclined they are to distrust and to spread disinformation regarding those things. so i think we're in a really difficult position for the media because the more true something is, the more likely somebody like tucker carlson is to undermine belief in that thing. >> the more contrarian he has to