washington establishment or the news media and certainly not with the rnc. it belongs with the people of the united states and every candidate ought to have a chance to give their views to the people of this country. >> you used to be a chairman of the rnc, so you have personal feelings about this. you're saying it's improper. but what would you have done differently? how else could it have gone? >> it could have been done any number of ways. you could have done two sessions a random pick, and every candidate could have had the opportunity to get their views out. the most important matter is not to talk to you, brian, about the process. it's to talk to you about what we're going to do for the people of the united states. the country is in decline. i have the credentials and the experience to reverse that decline and to focus on the challenges that we face in our national security which is very much in danger and the economy of this country where people are not working anywhere near to the extent that they need to be. >> some people suggest that actually the afternoon debate will be a better forum for those kinds of conversations. fewer people and there won't be