fallon is a broader talent, has a broader appeal. we'll see if it's true. they certainly felt conan could do it. his people would tell you if he had more time he would have done it. i think there's more confidence at nbc that fallon has a broader based appeal than conan did. >> maybe they've learned from the mistakes five years ago? >> how do you learn until you see what happens? we don't know. we can't tell. i think they feel more confident than they did. by the way, jay was younger then too. he was 59. now he's 63. it does seem like a time for maybe that decision to be made. i can remember another time number-one guy was taken off, walter cronkite was number one. they forced him off the air because he had hit 65. it has happened before. >> was that the right choice in retrospect? >> actually, dan rather did win far while. but, you know, it certainly has always been a difficult decision to make when does a guy need to be replaced just because of his age, not because of his appeal or talent. >> let's put it into perspective being number one.