do certain things even as a chief of staff so and he tries to make the argument that he's acting under court of law and that's how he gets in federal court, he can't make that argument because he is violating the law when he's working for donald trump. >> mark meadows on the witness stand today, a mistake? >> it certainly makes me want to crunch as a defense attorney. he was subject to cross-examination, he was on the stand for hours. the defense doesn't know what the prosecution has in this case. the prosecutors do and so they were able to cross examine him with an eye towards the trial and anything he said could be used against him at the trial. so, risky move for sure. >> from the political view, serena, what does trump thinking and seeing when they see this all unfold? >> i think they're watching this very closely. meadows is not the only one who

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