>> and lara spencer. >> use your voice like the boys do. >> we're talking politics. >> year of the first female president. >> 2016. don't you want to know who? >> your money -- and the question i just have to ask. >> women like very authoritative man in the bedroom. >> i think it's different strokes for different folks. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. i am not periods morgan. i'm donny deutsche, piers is on assignment. he enfighted me back to fill in for him. let's do something different. so i am bringing in four women i accomplish and admire. they are stars in their own fields. they are, first off, the woman of the moment, u.s. open champ. serena. serena in primetime. suze orman, the most recognized personal finance expert in the world and the one i would go to for advice and the one, the only gayle king, mom and the woman you've heard of. oprah. and lara spencer, she's the host of a show i can't think of the name of right now -- >> i can't either. >> we're going to play 20 question. leave your pundit hats at home. this is a show what women want. we're coming off the convention, a lot has happened. i want you talking as mom, working women, u.s. open champs, first, 30 seconds on that. wow. i was sitting at home, this is over, so just quickly, you're down 3-5. you're down in the service. give me the thought that goes through your head that says i'm turning this around. >> i thought if i can hold that serve and win that game i have a fighting chance. my main goal was to win that game and take a break. after that we would have a changeover and i would have time to take a little breather. and i felt i could get myself together and pull myself into the match. >> what was that squeal coming out of your opponent? >> that wasn't a squeal -- >> it t was a mating call. >> ohhhh. >> at that point, i thought does she need a hotel room? >> it didn't bother you? it bothered every one of us. didn't bother her. >> i thought it was lower than normal to be honest. i've played her a few times in our career. i was so focused on the match, i didn't even hear it. >> that was lower? >> donny, she was in -- >> we'll get back to that later. first question, basically, i want to throw something out. does it matter -- forget pro-choice, pro life. women today still make 70 cents on the dollar. in both adadministrations. does it make a difference for the working woman? >> yeah, it makes a difference. let me tell you why. in 2009 when president obama signed the lilly ledbetter act. forget about the 77 crept option a dollar. you don't want us to be a pundit. >> this is pundit, not putt. >> it allowed women to have more time to actually oppose and come and say, you're not treating me fairly. it allowed women to be able to have lesser stan dares for the corporations to stand up to. means more women are wing so they can earn more. that's a really important thing that happened. if you're opposing it and you want to get paid more money because you feel it hasn't been good. now you have more of a time to prove your case which wasn't true. >> ryan actually voted against that and romney has not been clear where i stands on that? >> he would argue he's been very clear on it. what we also need to look at, whatever becomes president of the united states. we have to make sure they can work with congress. it doesn't matter what your ideas are. if you don't have a congress working with you. while we're focusing on the two candidate, we also heed to focus on the congress and president of the united states working together. so far we haven't had great luck with that. >> it starts at home. we have to work with our little girl, teaching them to advocate for themselves to go in and ask for a raise. use your voice like the boys do. >> in woman's tennis, we have a lot of opportunity. women stood up for ourselves in the '70s, led by billie jean king who said we'll pay for the same amount of men. just recently we're able to have equal pay. because we're working as hard. >> i'm curious, you guys in the work place, i've employed thousands of women over the years. what i found without exception, men would come in asking for raises, if i don't get a raise -- women apologize -- if e seen -- >> celebrate yourself. >> that's interestingly fuf, you hit the nerve. that's what is going to change. not from the top up. not the president but a new generation of women. suze, i'm curious, to me i'll take a woman over a man any time. i'll explain that. if you give me equal man and woman. if you watch a saturday morning tv commercial. it's always four girls playing together and one boy going, i won. women want to be collaborative, and fair, women it's zero game. have you seen women are more reticent to ask for a raise? >> women put themselves on sale. i'll work, you don't have to pay me, it's all right. i don't need a vacation. pay raise we can go years out it so you can be okay. >> men, are you kidding? >> we're fixers. >> a woman's nature is nurture. she has the ability to give birth. her job is to take care of everybody. >> we're going change that. >> is the reason women are in this situation, and i've said this for years, is not because men are keeping us there. we're letting them keep us down. i get paid great money. i get paid top dollars. i'm a woman and it's because i won't put myself on sale and women have to meet -- >> quick question. obama had a four-point bounce. very, very substantial. speaking of the election, though, i got in trouble the other day with my friend on "the professionals." of course you have no idea what i'm talking about. >> i have noddy what i'm talk about. >> i do. >> and i said something interesting, it wasn't interesting that they smacked me around pretty good. you contrast the first women about their speeches, i said does this country vote that way anymore? i want shareholder value. i don't care who his wife is. is that naive? they're both great women. is that dumb guy talking? >> i think it can enhance it. >> they both have great marriages. >> they're teaching us a little bit. >> they're giving us information we might not otherwise have gotten. that's important to women. we want to know the whole story. >> give him situation what he thinks and believes. i think you're right, look at michelle obama. ann romney. i spent time with both of them. they are both top notch, both of them. nobody can argue about that. it does give you as lara says a look at what their husband believes. >> i think that's important. >> it also give ace look into the wife and how they react. >> how people can look at the president or potential president and see what tempers and they are, depending who they choose to be their forever mate. >> if this guys votes -- >> i don't think people vote with their pocketbooks at all. i think they vote with who they feel attracted to. >> as a human being. >> can come all of the way down to their hair cut. >> if your theory is right, clearly obama wins. >> katie couric debuts today. i have a theory. katie aside, the one host format that your dear friend, not just revolutionized, made, is not as relevant anymore. if you don't give people utility during the day, they don't want it. i'm not going to say katie is a failure, is that an old format? nothing to do with katie. we all love katie, gayle. >> when you say utility, what do you mean? >> it shows what suze does. the day of, here's the host and any of your celebrities, we do interesting subject matter -- >> is that a relevant subject matter anymore? >> i think there's room for something good. >> no, i know exactly where you're going. i look at shows that are coming on. everybody says i'm going be different. i'm not going to do what oprah did. i want to do what oprah did. that worked really well. >> but i do think that the time has come that maybe there's a different way of doing the talk show. i still think it's relevant. people like good conversation, they love celebrities. they are a celebrity obsessed culture. i think people like looking at things that are relatable to them. >> is that a talk show format? i'm not sure about that. when you're good, people find you. >> like a show with one guy and four women, something like that? >> yeah. >> i think it's more than one-on-one, i think it's like "the view." >> i think this generation, which has grown up. everybody can blog and everybody has their devices. one voice speaking at you. >> maybe it's a compilation of all of that. doing something digitally. you can interact with your fans and have one person speaking. i love the format of oprah. i love the great show. there's a void on the air of that. there's space for what is trying to find the right way to create it and the right person to do it. >> exactly. >> katie, going to be a home run, single, double? >> i think -- see what she did? >> you're an abc person. >> i've been a fan of her for a long time. so smart. she's going to pave her own way. there's no other oprah. if she stays authentic to herself, she'll be solid. >> here is the question. do we as women want katie to succeed? >> yes. >> sometimes women, and we do -- sometimes women, not on television, but it can be a competitive thing -- >> i think that happened to hillary first time around. >> okay, guy, guy, here's a tease, when we come back, security, sex and success all in one blog. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: upbeat ] [ dog ] we found it together. on a walk, walk, walk. love to walk. yeah, we found that wonderful thing. and you smiled. and threw it. and i decided i would never, ever leave it anywhere. because that wonderful, bouncy, roll-around thing... had made you play. and that... had made you smile. 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i say you don't have to take off your shoes? >> i'm happy to take them off. i'm happy to go through whatever you need to do to make sure that me and my family and everybody on that plane is safe. it's not too much for me. >> it's not too much, but there are times when i see some people being asked to remove their kids or older people, and i go, really? do you have to do that? i'm with you, whatever you have to do to keep us safe. there's another part. that bothers me. i had to throw out contact lens solution, because it was over the 3 ounces. but it had never been opened. i'm for whatever you have to do to keep it safe. . i just came back from australia. never once had to remove my shoes, including coming back on the plane to the united states of america where something could have happened. can't we somehow -- >> it's always a pleasure to not to have to do it. but don't you understand? >> i get why, i don't get why after 11 years they have not figured out a more secure system, a system that makes sense. are they really that much safer? >> i'm with lara. whatever it takes. obviously you travel around. >> i do what it takes. after what happened september 11th, and being the anniversary so soon. as a nation it's something we can't forget. i always like to think once you put your guard down that's when people attack. that's when things happen. it's so important for us to stay awa awake. >> i'm thinking too, suze. i'm for whatever it takes too. isn't there another way? >> wasn't it great traveling through australia? not to do it in. >> wasn't it safe? >> the profile you touched on. to your point, is there anything wrong that we say, okay, there are certain suspects that are terrorists to not stop little 5-year-old scandinavian girls? is the line -- >> that's what i was thinking when you said that. gayle. you have to be -- it's not policing. >> what if somebody is using that 5-year-old girl. it's all or nothing. >> yep. >> right now it's all. >> and we'll keep it that way. >> speaking of all the range "fifty shades of grey" has been talked about a lot. the dumb guy talking. the success showed two things to me. number one there must be a lot of undersectioned women in america if they get so excited and two, most women want to be dominated in some form. because that was the corner of th that book. in that sexual thing, most women reacted to that positive -- >> let's hear your point of view. >> the real question, how many women on this panel read that book? >> i actual dli for research. >> no, it's not my kind of read. i'm an old-fashioned kind of person. i'm not into it. >> he was a very dominant character -- >> did you read it? >> i know the basic premise. does that show that's a nerve that hit -- i can only tell you from my own unscientific sampling of girlfriends thought it was so naughty and funny. and they are all married. it enabled them to talk about something that before this book, it touch aid nerve with all due respect. it enabled them to talk about -- and maybe expand their sex life after 10, 15 years when they wanted to push the envelope. >> the women i talked about, is -- >> a very -- >> are you a spanker? >> absolutely not. >> i learned that women do like very strong men. i have yet to see women -- >> i don't want spanking of any kind. i don't want gentle spanking, hard spanking. i like soft caressing -- >> are you a spanker? >> you want the man to take control. serena? women like a very authoritative man in the bedroom. >> yeah, i think it's just different strokes for different folks. >> come on. i'm just being honest. not everyone likes the same thing. >> are you a spanker? >> your honor, i would like you to answer that question. >> that's inappropriate. t i think -- >> go ahead. >> i think, you know, just -- it just brought out a lot of maybe different feelings among different women that do like more things that are dominant, and like to be -- >> you're a physically striiy - beautiful woman, very physically strong. is that intip dating to men? >> i think it is. >> i'm curious, do you run into that? >> i run into the intimidation factor. i think it's important to find that balance and find someone who can balance you mentally and spiritually and everything else. >> exactly. if it's not the guy for you, not the guy that -- >> someone that can just be friends. >> see, i'm not the guy -- i'm staying like this. lady, when we come back, we talk about living happily ever after in hollywood. don't go anywhere. humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? 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