military invention. that would just invite a russian military intervention. >> rudy, i'm going to talk to later in the show a director of a powerful documentary oscar nominated about tahrir square and the uprising in egypt and all the consequences there. has not gone very smoothly, the transition to freedom and democracy, whatever you want to call it the arab spring. what are the lessons we can learn from egypt? in particular if you try to connect the dots here with other uprisings, kiev, venezuela, whatever. >> we have to know what we're replacing the bad guy with. in mubarek we went from bad to worse. and gadhafi possibly. kiev we really don't have that problem in kiev there is a very substantial two-thirds, three quarters of the population that would like to be a liberal democracy tied to europe. i don't think that issue exists in kiev. venezuela it may exist. venezuela we've been cut off from for a long time. there is a very large middle class in venezuela. there are a lot of of business interests in venezuela. my guess is if we could get rid