>> let me say something. stop the hyperventilation on the right. those people in mourning. stop the hyperventilation on the left, those people are ready to pop the champagne. he's not going to change the church's teachings on gay marriage, not going to change the teachings on women's ordination, and the faster people get that, the better. >> you seem very -- you seem very certain of this. >> absolutely. i am very certain. i couldn't be more certain of anything in the world. >> okay. >> but he certainly -- >> should e ever change his mind. father cutie, you were shaking your head through. bill donahue seems absolutely convinced about all this. i must say, i wouldn't be running to the bookmakers to put heavy bets on this particular pope not actually moving with the times a bit. >> i'll tell you -- people in all denominations today are wondering why this pope is saying what he's saying and they do see a sense of reform taking place. not just in the roman catholic church, in society and the way we view religion and religious people. for too long, religious leaders have been looked as, you know, the people who condemn you.