trying to refute -- >> flordia. >> the state is trying to refute a case that they cannot even prove. that is what is going on -- >> no, no, no, actually, no, that's not -- that's actually not is what is happening. the state is making a defense and the -- >> really they are making a case? >> let me finish -- let me -- let me finish the thought before you disagree. the fact of the matter is that george zimmerman got out of his car against police orders. not -- >> that's not a crime. excuse me, that is not a crime. that -- >> you're -- >> that's a factor -- >> the factor -- >> i'm schismly responding -- >> no, no, no. >> you want to talk about the law or morals? >> okay, let me jump in. let me jump in. let me jump in. >> your argument -- >> let me ask you this, jane, let me ask you this jane. you mentioned you had children. if this had been one of your kids a bit older killed in these