we've seen republicans tourn their -- >> no, we haven't. >> at least the legislative conversation has shifted. in the end the senate rejected everything. which i found staggering, as you know. >> in my home state of pennsylvania -- >> michael moore's being trapped by fox into positioning himself as pushing the parents into it. he's not doing that. what he's saying is what will change the debate? >> here's the difference, though, piers. in 1955 when mamie till showed those pictures the argument was america needs to know what's happening down here in mississippi. >> right. >> america knows -- no one doesn't know what happened in sandy hook. the people who are invested in holding on to stupid gun legislation are going to do that anyway. the people who have been converted have already been converted. one other point is mamie till made a decision to show her children in that casket. the parents of sandy hook haven't made that decision. we should have a legal right to see those pictures but we should always have the good judgment not to show them. >> that's an interesting question. you and i have argued about guns before. but on the interesting point