novice. >> no. i mean, piers, look, you don't set off that many explosions without having tested this stuff. it's just a fact. you talk to anybody who deals with it. yes, you can make one bomb, you can blow up a toaster at home with a cell phone. yes. on and on and on. it's all sort of hollywood fantasy. but when you're you said fire, a running gun battle and throwing explosives out of a car, lighting them with a cigarette lighter, with i don't know how they lit them. and these things go off, it just doesn't happen. unless you've had some sort of experience, or you've been in a combat area. the special forces will tell you that most people freeze when shooting starts. these people didn't. they ran, they moved. they evaded. they held back a police pursuit. they had some sort of either ice water running through their blood or some sort of experience. >> right. mitch silva, would you go along with that? it certainly seems to me that these are people who have had either very good training or