that is offered up to me is cardinal bergoglio, you may or may not know. john allen reported to us many times, what we believe from the last conclave is that bergoglio is number two to then joseph ratzinger, now pope benedict xvi, pope emeritus. bergoglio as the perfect compromise candidate, 76 years old, but he could be a unifier. think about it. >> that was quite some prediction. i didn't hear it on any other network. so congratulations. but tell me, he's a fascinating man. he did come quite close before, as you said, which people hadn't really picked up on. but he is the first latin american pope. how significant is that? because they could have gone for an italian, they could have gone for the first african pope, but they went with latin america. why do you think they did that and why him? >> reporter: well, it's interesting. a lot of decisions always make sense in hindsight, right, piers? this is one of those decisions. before bergoglio was written off