pence and from governor christie and some of the other candidates in terms of her style, her ability to connect, her authenticity, her energy, and the generational argument that she makes. both she and tim scott are exceptional points of pride for the people of south carolina. they're not running -- they're not running campaigns where they're in need of attacking each other. they're running campaigns where their opponent is donald trump. and so i think that you have to distinguish among these candidates not necessarily by tiers but by the campaigns they're running, the issues they're talking about, and really the energy they have and the staying power that they have when you're starting to talk about money, when you're starting to talk about donor viability and stuff like that. >> i think the larger point that nikki has to contend with is simply this. like if you want -- if you want the antithesis to donald trump, will a republican voter say it's nikki haley?