during the pandemic when we had members who were forced by their employer or the railroads to stay home and quarantine without pay. but really, it comes down to simple things like the flu for a day or two or a sick child and the ability to take a day or two paid when you have to deal with these issues that life brings that you have no control over. >> understood. and listen, as a working person with a family, i understand those issues particularly when you have a sick child. the exchange seems to be higher wages here. the pending new contracts for all the unions, including an immediate 14% pay raise with back pay going to 2020, pay raises totals 24% during the four-year life of the deal. in the past, your unions have been willing to exchange, in effect, higher wages for less paid sick leave. why not now, given these pr proposed raises? >> jim, we've never traded higher wages for not having sick