defense wants to make it look like, is that this is a split-second decision, that travel was in fear for his life, and what she did a good job of doing was showing the totality of what led up to that, really undermines that idea. you know, and to jim's point about the idea of portraying him as a law enforcement background training with the coast guard, you know, i call that the best of both worlds defense, which is on the one hand they want the vigilante to be portrayed as doing things by the book. he is trying to de-escalate. but at the same time they want to say he was really a scared, frightened citizen in fear for his life the way any of you might be afraid. so they're trying to have the best of both worlds, and i think the prosecutor did a good job of undermining that point. i think also to carolyn's point about the portrayal of the victim that really racist remark that was made, one interesting comparison to the rittenhouse trial is what a difference it makes when you can call victims