it has been made very clear that senator mcconnell has no intention of budging here. we also learned this week former treasury secretary mnuchin and paulson reaching out, expressing their concerns about what could happen. but the message from mitch mcconnell is he's not budging. is there any reason to think that would change? >> no. i don't think it is going to change. he's been saying rather publicly since july, right, that you should not expect senate republicans to participate in raising the debt limit, not in the wake of the $2 trillion covid bill that was passed in march that senate republicans, house republicans thought substantially overshot the mark and i think they feel vindicated in that view. and doubling on especially with $3.5 trillion spending bill simultaneously being processed by the house and the senate. >> so when it comes to the debt ceiling, the debt limit as we have been talking about, just reminding folks at home, this is saying you're going to pay the bill for what you have already